|
Community Links |
Social Groups |
Pictures & Albums |
Members List |
Search Forums |
Advanced Search |
Go to Page... |
|
Thread Tools |
03-19-2009, 12:47 PM | #4021 |
#voteblackjack
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Northwood, NH
Posts: 35,747
|
Quote:
I'm only half done with the Kill Bin Laden Book, and it seems to go:
CIA sets up all types of connections. They are a small team maybe 10 guys tops. A few of them are SAD (either former Delta or Green Berets) Then there is the overall Spec Ops commander in the region (0-6) There would also be the Delta Commander (0-6) subordinate to the previous guy There would be maybe a Green Beret Company in the area probably led by a Maj. then there would be a Ranger Company or two on stand by in the Area as well. I haven't determined how big a Delta Squadron is but it seems to be about 22 men. Then there may be 2 Delta Squadrons, led by a Major. Attached would be the 160th SOAR night stalker guys and there would be a lot of Air Force dropping bombs and precision Munitions. Correct me if I missed anything. The SAD guys and CIA has got me more intrigued. They have a lot of say but eventually they have to move to the side and let Delta handle things. The Deputy CIA guy may have as much or more pull than the commanding Spec Ops officer. The Station chief may be even more senior than the Officers in a way but he's not involved in tactical planning. But he is involved with the overall mission on a higher level than the local military guys in theater. I need to get that book.
__________________
Join the New England G.I. Joe Collector's Group: Battleforce New England Join the March of Cobra. Read the epic adventure on Kindle Worlds and visit the page to learn more. https://www.facebook.com/marchofcobra/ |
03-19-2009, 01:11 PM | #4022 |
W.O.R.M.S. Commander
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Back in the US of A! (NoVA)
Posts: 10,649
|
Quote:
Damn. No wonder there's all these "lack of intelligence" or "intelligence was wrong" mishaps. That's alot of guys to play "phonebook" with (remember the old kid game, say something into one person's ear and see how it changes as it's passed along).
I need to get that book. Yeah I don't know who is the one to make all the decisions. On one end you have the CIA who has been tasked to gather all the information and make/bribe all the connections to lead to a possible mission. One the other end is Delta or SEALs DEVGRU who want to perform the mission. But they need a lot of support. From the Rangers, from the Green Berets and anyone else tied to the local SOCOM command is sitting in the middle and that commander is really the one in charge of all the soldiers it seems. |
03-19-2009, 01:22 PM | #4023 |
Bringer of the Black Dawn
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Washington
Posts: 3,987
|
Sorry gone for two days, but the reason you see more older Warrants is that they are the specialist in there field. Most of the time they seem to enjoy a better lot in the service life riding in between the lines of command orriented jobs and grunt work. Unless they are a pilot most Warrant officers are in administrative or staff positions. The exception is SF type units where they do get their hands dirty. Not every job skill even has a warrant officer slot, so there is always a big fuss when an MOS gets warrant status available. I remember when I was in and they finally started having Communications Warrant Officers. So many people were in line to drop their packets, then they didn't approve any for two years. lol
|
03-19-2009, 01:23 PM | #4024 |
I Ride with Claymore!!!
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Alexandria, Virginia
Posts: 6,821
|
Hey guys,
WOW! Y'all have been busy! And there's a lot of new faces on the thread. That's awesome! Anyway, so I've been reading the book "The Mission, The Men, and Me." by Pete Blaber. Great book. Anyway, Blaber is a retired Delta Force commander, code name: Panther. Here's an example of how much Delta is like G.I. Joe. In 1998, Major Blaber was just starting his PT session... 6:30 AM: 10 Mile run. He was at Mile 2 (13 minutes into the run and exactly on pace), and his beeper went off. He turned around and ran back to Delta HQ in 11 minutes flat... for those of you who are counting, that's 4 miles in 24 minutes. I don't care who you are, that's fast. He was then told he would be on the next flight to Bosnia. He went home, grabbed his "Bosnia Bag" and was on the flight headed overseas 2 hours after his beeper went off. Once in Bosnia, he met up with 12 other Delta Operators in the Airport who had all arrived via different airlines and routes. They went to a safe house where where 20 other intel and Delta Operators were already in place. They planned and executed the capture of a Serbian War Criminal within about a week of their arrival. Their plan of capture involved using a newly invented "Spike Mat" to take out the target convoy's tires and a Gorilla Costume... I kid you not. He mention a bit about some of the other members on the team. One was a guy, code name: Predator. Blaber says that he once witness Predator scale a 9 story building in under a minute, using nothing but his hands and feet. Another member of the team was a world ranked pistol shooter. It's a LOT like G.I. Joe. Just thought y'all would enjoy that story. These operatives are physically unbelievable. Nearly superhuman. Blaber was a commander in Delta Force. He was an Officer, and rank matters. There's a lot more open communication and mutual accountability in planning and after action reports, but Officers are still in charge, Sergent Majors are still over E-8's and below. There's a lot of mutual respect and openness in planning, but in executing the missions, It's a firm chain of command.
__________________
Why aren't there more Joes from the Deep South? And would it kill Hasbro to give us a Marine Corps Officer? |
03-19-2009, 01:31 PM | #4025 |
I Ride with Claymore!!!
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Alexandria, Virginia
Posts: 6,821
|
Quote:
The SAD guys and CIA has got me more intrigued. They have a lot of say but eventually they have to move to the side and let Delta handle things. The Deputy CIA guy may have as much or more pull than the commanding Spec Ops officer. The Station chief may be even more senior than the Officers in a way but he's not involved in tactical planning. But he is involved with the overall mission on a higher level than the local military guys in theater. I strongly feel like Chuckles and Low-Light could work with SAD. I'm just saying it's possible. But on the whole, after what I've recently read, I think G.I. Joe is a lot more like Delta Force. But just to reiterate what I've said from the beginning, Rank certainly plays a factor in the chain of command of Delta Force... And I still think it should in the Joe Team.
__________________
Why aren't there more Joes from the Deep South? And would it kill Hasbro to give us a Marine Corps Officer? |
03-19-2009, 01:33 PM | #4026 |
Bringer of the Black Dawn
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Washington
Posts: 3,987
|
Quote:
Career paths and MOS reclasification are reasons that people get secondary specialties. Reclassing happens all the time for soldiers trying to move to a more desired career path, or just so that they can make promotions, often as a re-enlistment incentive. Most members of EOD teams are formally 12B Combat engineers. That is why when Something said explosives and ordanance for an MOS i placed them as Combat Engineer on the spread sheet that I made. (by the way this is hrdwrkngXsoldier from the many other boards I use....screen name was to big for the tank ) One specialty that the JOE team clearly doesn't have enough of is Unit supply. There are so many supply companies and jobs in the millitary that this just baffles me. The closest thing to a 92Y that we have are Armorers, which also fall under suply, as do Fuelers and Water Dogs. |
03-19-2009, 01:37 PM | #4027 |
EQ-Viper
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 4,343
|
Quote:
So if Combat Engineers are the new term for Sappers, what would guys like Hard Top and Tollbooth, and the Seabees be classified as?
I've always called 'em Combat Engineers, as they perform construction and engineering during combat. Need to make a bridge to get across that ravine, here comes Tollbooth... Many Seabees are also dive-qualified, and those that go on to the NCO ranks sometimes opt to take Ordnance Clearance Diver training, which is in many ways a variant of EOD training and underwater demolitions, giving them some of the same skills that can be found in the Navy SpecOps (Navy EOD) and Navy SpecWar (Navy SEALs) communities. |
03-19-2009, 01:37 PM | #4028 |
W.O.R.M.S. Commander
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Back in the US of A! (NoVA)
Posts: 10,649
|
Quote:
Sorry gone for two days, but the reason you see more older Warrants is that they are the specialist in there field. Most of the time they seem to enjoy a better lot in the service life riding in between the lines of command orriented jobs and grunt work. Unless they are a pilot most Warrant officers are in administrative or staff positions. The exception is SF type units where they do get their hands dirty. Not every job skill even has a warrant officer slot, so there is always a big fuss when an MOS gets warrant status available. I remember when I was in and they finally started having Communications Warrant Officers. So many people were in line to drop their packets, then they didn't approve any for two years. lol
The pay must be better too. You have to spend a certain amount of time at each grade to move up I believe, but I'm not so sure. With anything technical, if you have the skills they will pay you. I believe there is a limit to the number of WO-3 and WO-4 and WO-5s. It seems sort of cushy and comfortable. |
03-19-2009, 01:38 PM | #4029 |
Bringer of the Black Dawn
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Washington
Posts: 3,987
|
Quote:
ninja6fett pretty much nailed it. Even though no "official" Geneva Convention ban ever came down on flamethrowers, almost all modern armies have stopped using flamethrowers because of their cruel and inhumane nature as weapons. I think the last two countries to "officially" use flamethrowers against people were the US (in Vietnam) and the USSR (in Afghanistan). I do remember some US servicemen using some vintage M2 flamethrowers in the Philippines in the mid-1980s (so it was apparent that some units still had leftover flamethrowers in their armories at least up 'til then), but only as a way to clear thick jungle brush.
|
03-19-2009, 01:45 PM | #4030 |
Bringer of the Black Dawn
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Washington
Posts: 3,987
|
Quote:
Attached would be the 160th SOAR night stalker guys and there would be a lot of Air Force dropping bombs and precision Munitions.
Correct me if I missed anything. The SAD guys and CIA has got me more intrigued. They have a lot of say but eventually they have to move to the side and let Delta handle things. The Deputy CIA guy may have as much or more pull than the commanding Spec Ops officer. The Station chief may be even more senior than the Officers in a way but he's not involved in tactical planning. But he is involved with the overall mission on a higher level than the local military guys in theater. Also, yes there is a limit to the amount of just about every senior rank in the military. That is why promotion lists are so important when it comes time for Warrant, senior NCO, and Officer promotions. Retirements are a big deal as well. It generally takes an act of congress to keep a solier in past 30 years, it's not hard to get if they are good at what they do. There are more Generals in the Army thatn CW-5s. I know one CW-5 here on post that has been in 39 years. And yes the retirement is better as a warrant than an enlisted person any day. A E9 gets the same retirment check as a W4 or a O3, which is kind of sad in my book. Last edited by Xsoldier; 03-19-2009 at 01:52 PM.. |
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Please Help! Need filecards! | RockinHard | G.I. Joe Buy Sell Trade | 2 | 10-26-2008 06:14 PM |
Need filecards! | RockinHard | G.I. Joe Buy Sell Trade | 18 | 10-24-2008 09:17 PM |
Filecards Wanted!!!! | RockinHard | G.I. Joe Buy Sell Trade | 5 | 10-17-2008 10:25 PM |
Filecards Wanted! | RockinHard | G.I. Joe Buy Sell Trade | 5 | 10-05-2008 04:15 PM |
Quaid Spills Secrets on "G.I. Joe" | HissCommander | G.I. Joe News and Rumors | 108 | 10-01-2008 11:23 AM |
|
|