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11-14-2008, 01:28 AM | #361 |
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I mean, it was nothing crazy: just a green and blue mauler, but just to see the Mauler again after all these years... and a Cobra Mauler!!! Oh were were excited, and then were were Really disappointed, and then we were FURIOUS!!!
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11-14-2008, 01:36 AM | #362 |
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They did show pics, and they were awesome.
I mean, it was nothing crazy: just a green and blue mauler, but just to see the Mauler again after all these years... and a Cobra Mauler!!! Oh were were excited, and then were were Really disappointed, and then we were FURIOUS!!! |
11-14-2008, 01:42 AM | #363 |
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Now I have to start by admiting that I'm a HUGE Chuckles fan, but I'm the biggest Magnum P.I. fan I know, so it only stands to reason...
I have a theory about Chuckles and I want to run it by you guys. If you can view Yojoe.com at the same time in another window/tab, I find that helpful for this thread. Just a suggestion. Anyway, it says on his file card that he had worked as an "insurance investigator in Florida". Hmmmm, does that sound like a very good career background for the G.I. Joe team? It specifically says "He got his start in... Southeastern Insurance Group in Ft. Lauderdale where he still feels he owes his main allegiance." What? He owes his main allegiance to an Insurance company in Florida, rather than the U.S. Government, or the Joe Team?! Or, what if "Southeastern Insurance Group" is a C.I.A. front company? I think Chuckles is a "Company" man. Alright, gentlemen. I'd like to hear what you think?
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11-14-2008, 01:45 AM | #364 |
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I think there was something in the comics alluding to his involvement with the CIA. I'll have to look it up.
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11-14-2008, 01:51 AM | #365 |
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Hey I want to start a thread about the various Special Forces units and poll people as to which unit they feel is the toughest and most elite. Maybe you could help break down all the different ones. I was thinking of Delta Force, SEALS, Green Berets, Marine Force Recon, PJs, and Rangers. Can you think of any others?
I can do my best, but off the top of my head I'm liable to miss a few. I'm sure some of the other guys here could help though. Let's go by Service Branch and do the Army First: All the Units in U.S. Army Special Operations Command - USASOC -Delta Force* -Intelligence Support Activity* The following list is in descending order of eliteness. -Special Forces (The Green Berets - Groups 1,3,5,7,10,19, and 20) -75th Ranger Regiment -160 SOAR -4th Psy Ops -96th Civil Affairs * though somewhat different, these two units work hand in hand and are considered to be the most secretive, the most clandestine, and the most elite in the Army. Air Force -Combat Control Teams -Para Rescuemen (PJ's) -There are some Special Ops Air craft and crews that I can't speak about because I don't know enough to say U.S. Navy -SEALs/UDT Teams -Various SEAL Support Teams U.S. Marine Corps -MARSOC (Force Recon Operators) -Various Force Recon Support Teams Hope that helps some, buddy.
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11-14-2008, 01:58 AM | #366 |
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My friend, there are a lot of units. Are you wanting to just do the American Units or some International ones as well?
I can do my best, but off the top of my head I'm liable to miss a few. I'm sure some of the other guys here could help though. Let's go by Service Branch and do the Army First: All the Units in U.S. Army Special Operations Command - USASOC -Delta Force* -Intelligence Support Activity* The following list is in descending order of eliteness. -Special Forces (The Green Berets - Groups 1,3,5,7,10,19, and 20) -75th Ranger Regiment -160 SOAR -4th Psy Ops -96th Civil Affairs * though somewhat different, these two units work hand in hand and are considered to be the most secretive, the most clandestine, and the most elite in the Army. Air Force -Combat Control Teams -Para Rescuemen (PJ's) -There are some Special Ops Air craft and crews that I can't speak about because I don't know enough to say U.S. Navy -SEALs/UDT Teams -Various SEAL Support Teams U.S. Marine Corps -MARSOC (Force Recon Operators) -Various Force Recon Support Teams Hope that helps some, buddy. |
11-14-2008, 02:20 AM | #367 |
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Special Forces even has numbers of soldiers that they have to make, quotas to fill. To try out for Delta Force is by Invitation only, and they select mainly from Special Forces units... something like over 60% of Delta Force comes out of SF. Again, I'm just telling you what I read. I've never gotten a letter from Delta Force inviting me to try out. I've never even see a letter like that. They choose some out of the Ranger Regiment and they even invite guys from the 82nd Airborne or other outstanding soldiers from tough units who have excellent personal qualifications, like Ranger School and the like. They can and have recruited from other service branches, especially the Marine Corps, but that's pretty rare. The selection they go through for Delta Force is very similar to what Special Forces does... a lot of map reading and carrying a ruck sack for long periods. Except it's more isolated. They want to make sure that you can survive on your own. They go out to some weird National Guard base in West Virginia or something. From everything I've read, again - no first hand experience - It's not so much about being tougher or stronger. I mean, the guys in the Special Forces or the Rangers and some of the really good soldiers in the 82nd and 173rd are about as physically fit as you're going to get. They'll work on it a little bit extra at Delta Force, but Delta and the ISA need thinkers. Guys who can think on their feet and operate independently. A lot of their work is stuff that happens undercover - no uniforms, and by themselves or in teams of 2-4 operatives. Special Forces does some of that stuff too, but comparatively speaking, SF is the JV team. One U.S. group that I failed to mention, but should have is in the Navy: SEAL Team 6 - Now officially called, DEVGRU SEAL Team 6 is the Navy's version of Delta Force. They have never been quite as mission capable or quite as highly regarded. Delta's best equivalent would be the UK's 22nd S.A.S. or the C.I.A.'s Special Activities Division. Though, I shouldn't speak out of turn; I'm sure the Navy would submit that DEVGRU is just as good. The ISA has been so successful that the UK modeled their newest Special Operations Unit after our ISA and called it the SRR - Special Reconnaissance Regiment. Just in passing, I should add that the Marine's Force Recon units are VERY good. They would be more comparable to the Army's Special Forces or the Navy SEALs, and considered a little more elite than the Ranger Regiment, and that is saying something. The UK's Royal Marines should be considered extremely tough. Their regular Marines and Regular Airborne guys would be much more elite than our regular Marines and regular Airborne troops. Their Royal Marines and British Airborne are about as tough as our Ranger Regiment. This comment has been made to me by several American Airborne Rangers.
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I should also add that the British version of our SEALs is called the Special Boat Service - SBS, and they are usually from the Royal Marines, rather than the Royal Navy, though recently that has changed to some extent. The SBS is very good, and in every way is equal to our SEALs if not better.
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11-14-2008, 02:33 AM | #369 |
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I see, so Delta Force wants more than a guy who can just run long, shoot straight and take lots of punishment. They want sharp thinkers on top of that. I've heard they prefer guys with language proficiencies as well. I don't know anything about the Intelligence Support Activity. How do they compare?
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11-14-2008, 02:54 AM | #370 |
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I see, so Delta Force wants more than a guy who can just run long, shoot straight and take lots of punishment. They want sharp thinkers on top of that. I've heard they prefer guys with language proficiencies as well. I don't know anything about the Intelligence Support Activity. How do they compare?
Hmmm, let me see how to explain this clearly. In WW2, the War Department set up, as part of the Army, the Office of Strategic Services - O.S.S. These guys were the original Spy Commandos. Airborne Training, Commando training in Britain, Language Training. They did it all. After the War, the Government split the OSS into two groups: the C.I.A. and the Army Special Forces. And even though they were split, they never really stopped working together... leading to Iran Contra and the like. So, Special Forces training still has an element of Intelligence training or Spy training that the SEALs and Force Recon do not have. Green Berets have to learn Languages. I think it's required that you know at least one foreign language and have a proficiency in another. Something like that. See each SF Group is assigned to a specific region of the world: 1 Group is Asia, 3rd Group is Africa, 7th Group is Central and South America, 5th Group is the Middle East, 10th Group is Europe. Now that can change when there's a war and a shortage of SF soldiers. So in the early '80's when Colonel Charles Beckwith is setting up Delta Force they were basically recruiting/using the best vets from Vietnam. Professional soldiers - elite: Special Forces, LRRPs, and MAC SOG types. Beckwith went to Britain and trained with the SAS and came back and modeled Delta on SAS, but he didn't forget a lot of the good things about American SF like language proficiency. Let me put it succinctly: Delta Force Operators and Special Forces need to be able to do anything, anytime, anywhere... Sharpshoot Demolitions CQB/SWAT Operations Scuba Dive HALO/LALO Jump Train Insurgents in a foreign country - Languages Blend in while wearing civilian clothing Interrogate Hostiles Negotiate with Locals or hostiles Build structures and equipment Use a compass and a map Hand-to-hand combat edged weapon skills Reconnaissance Conduct intelligence operations. Football: Think of Delta as the All-American Team. There are a lot of good college players in Division 1 football, but the All-Americans are supposed to be the very best at everything, but they're all playing the same sport. SF is very good, but Delta is the very best of the very good. Jack Bauer is a Delta Force Operative: Spy, Commando, the best soldier/cop on the whole show. He can do undercover work, speak Spanish, is a sniper, hand-to-hand expert... you get the idea.
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