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03-06-2009, 12:48 PM | #3611 |
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Wow, just got home. Awesome that he responded. That's cool that he agreed that the Joes were at least Ranger qualified. It always made sense to me.
I didn't think that Claymore was one of his. The guy never appeared in the Marvel comics. I love the little dig he made about that card and the in-house people that wrote 'em. So Low-Light is an operator, just like we figured. Wow, it's kind of cool. Makes me feel like all the discussions in this thread are validated now. Also liked his comment on the rankings and how it's different in a Special Ops unit. It makes sense that the normal lines aren't as hard and fast. Do you have the question and answer saved Oliver? Be nice to put 'em all together when we're done.
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03-06-2009, 01:00 PM | #3612 |
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Yeah and what are "world export devices?" I guess if you knew what languages he spoke you may compromise his classified involvement in certain areas, where only a few US citizen speak the language. Like Mongol or Kirgistan. |
03-06-2009, 01:01 PM | #3613 |
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That's actually a great response. I love the insight into what cards Hama did or didn't write. I think its great that he tried to write the characters as imperfect. To me, flawed characters are infinitely more interesting than perfect, unbeatable ones. In light of that, maybe we could ask him what he thought of the trend of turning Snake Eyes into a virtual superhero.
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03-06-2009, 01:13 PM | #3614 |
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So did we establish or confirm that Recondo is a Ranger? Because if he is a true recondo, meaning he went to Recondo School and became a LRRP (aka "junior Ranger"), then he would have become an official Ranger in 1969 when the LRRPs were refolded into the new 75th Ranger Regiment. However, I'm starting to think that he may be a Marine because JWTC is taught by and mostly trains Marines. (Marines also attended Recondo School.) JWTC teaches other military personnel too, but this would be another good question to ask Hama.
Other than Leatherneck, Gung-Ho and Mainframe, who were explicitly described as such, which other Joes were supposed to be Marines? The LRRP's in 'Nam weren't "Junior Rangers" They were more like Advanced Rangers... Ranger school was a prerequisite. Recondo school in country - at Nha Trang - was insane. To graduate, you had to go on a live fire Patrol against the NVA and live to tell about it. How's that for a Senior class field trip? The LRRP were the best of the guys who were Infantry and Ranger qualified. Given that Recondo worked as an instructor, and given his name basically means "Advanced Ranger", and considering the work he does with the natives in Sierra Gordo... that's all "Hearts & Minds" kind of stuff with an indigenous population that he mobilizes as a very efficient fighting force. He seems like a "Green Beret" to me. He's obviously a fierce combatant, but he's smart - University of Wisconsin, Madison - he's good with languages, and he's an excellent teacher: Jungle Warfare Center and with the Sierra Gordo natives. That says Special Forces to me.
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03-06-2009, 01:22 PM | #3615 |
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Recondo and Outback are both Special Forces. I'd say they both went thru Ranger School before being tasked for Special Forces.
The Joes that it doesn't specifically say are Rangers, but I think they are: Airborne, Crazylegs, Ripcord, Hit & Run, Spearhead, Recoil, Recondo, Outback, Mutt and Pathfinder. If you go with the theory that all Joes are Ranger Qualified (note: He said qualified, not graduated or tabbed), then those would be the ones that are extra-special. About the Ranger qualification... "Qualified" means they graduated from Ranger School and have their black and gold Ranger Tab. That's what Ranger Qualified means. They may not be a part of the Ranger Regiment, those guys wear what is known as "The Ranger Scroll" for their unit patch. That scroll means they serve/served with the 75th Ranger Regiment. The Tab means they went to Ranger School and graduated and are authorized/QUALIFIED to wear the Ranger Tab. I would also add Spirit to that list of Ranger qualified Joes... Low-Light most certainly has a Ranger tab, and a Special Forces Tab, and is either Delta or CIA SAD. He's the REAL deal.
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03-06-2009, 01:33 PM | #3616 |
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Thanks for the clarification Oliver.
Yeah, Spirit should be on the list. What do you guys think of that Irish ARW? I'm intrigued by it, because they allow women to join.
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03-06-2009, 01:33 PM | #3617 |
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There maybe another possibility, however. Every Special Forces Group has a support staff - stuff like Signal Corps and Intelligence. These soldiers are part of Special Operations Command and are Airborne qualified; they wear the Special Forces Patch on their left sleeve because they are assigned to that unit. However, they do not wear the Green Beret, nor are they permitted to wear the Special Forces Tab above the SF patch - because the Tab and the Green Hat mean you went through Special Forces Qualification and School. So these support soldiers wear a Maroon beret to designate them as Paratroopers, but not Green Berets. Now it's true that an E-4 is eligible for Special Forces Selection and training, but Breaker seems more like the guy that the SF Group would have recruited to work for them as a support/communications soldier. As a Special Operations soldier, Breaker would have been held to a higher standard of physical fitness and training than a Normal soldier, but not like the Green Berets for whom he worked. That's just my conjecture. Breaker is fine, and he was a good soldier, but I don't think he's Special Forces Qualified himself - more than likely he was attached to the Gamma Project as support staff.
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03-06-2009, 01:38 PM | #3618 |
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Support staff does make some sense. There's nothing about Breaker that says he had extra training.
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03-06-2009, 01:51 PM | #3619 |
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It's possible that some of Breaker's language training was acquired outside the military. Maybe he's a first-generation American and his parents spoke a language other than English at home so he picked that up. Most people study at least one language in high school. Maybe learned one or two more on his own and his proficiency for languages is what landed him in communications when he joined the Army.
I like that some of the Joes picked up training outside the military. Steeler was a heavy equipment operator so becoming a tank commander seems like a natural progression. |
03-06-2009, 01:51 PM | #3620 |
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Yeah so what is world Export devices?
Is that like Container scanners at the Megaports or is that a typo for explosive devices? |
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