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02-19-2009, 10:08 AM | #2851 |
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What exactly is Spearhead.
He's a pointman, get that part, but what are his qualifications? I love the character. I see him, Spirit and Pathfinder all serving the same role.
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02-19-2009, 01:52 PM | #2852 |
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We're basically given no military qualifications for Spearhead. A Point Man is supposed to be sneaky and quiet; He alerts his team of what ahead without alarming the enemy. He does not stand up and yell "Follow Me!" Spearhead is an E-4, so he's not even a Sgt. I don't know about comparing him to Pathfinder. Pathfinder seems to be specifically tasked for Jungle warfare... though I'm sure he could serve as a point man while his team was in the jungle. Though, I guess I'm old school: I'd rather have Recondo. Spirit or Dart or Tracker might be good comparisons. A Point Man should be able to track someone if you're chasing an enemy or a hostage. Insofar as I can tell, Spearhead is pretty much listed as a plain Infantryman (11B) who just happens to be a good Point Man for a Squad. He's really no different than Grunt or Footloose in that respect. He's just an Infantryman. There's no mention of Air Assault, Airborne or Ranger training.
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02-19-2009, 01:57 PM | #2853 |
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I want Spearhead to be at least a Ranger, but there's nothing saying he is. He seems like a fit to be recon.
But he could be just the guy that rides point on an infantry squad. Was just the one comic appearance (Special Missions) to go by. He's one of my favorites, never could really figure out why, just liked the guy alot.
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02-19-2009, 01:59 PM | #2854 |
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Who are the "infantry" Joes? The guys that don't have specialized training and aren't Rangers.
Grunt, Footloose, Spearhead and are there any others?
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02-19-2009, 02:27 PM | #2855 |
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Hit & Run is straight Infantry. Ambush - Infantry Mutt - went to Jungle school, but Ranger school is not a prerequisite to attend Jungle school, just to teach there (like Recondo) Spirit - no mention of Ranger School (but some use him as a Ranger, and it may be arguable) Bazooka Most of the Snow/Arctic Guys - "Arctic Trooper" is not an official MOS. They're just specially training Infantrymen. Budo Rock & Roll Crossfire Cross Hair Double Blast Dusty Flash A lot of the Ninja Force are Infantry with no mention of Ranger School Hardball Quick Kick Sci-Fi Those are the ones that come to mind. Those guys are just Infantry or Airborne Infantry. I actually have a hard time believing any Joe is not Airborne qualified, because Airborne qualification is a prerequisite for all U.S. Special Operations Units.
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02-19-2009, 02:41 PM | #2856 |
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The Arctic guys, Rock 'n Roll, Bazooka, Double Blast, Dusty, Flash, Hardball all have specialized training (environment, heavy weapons, etc..). Budo and Quick Kick just aren't geared for frontline infantry. Airborne, Ripcord, Hit & Run by virtue of what they do in the Joeteam would probably be Airborne Rangers. Ambush and Spearhead... They just don't seem like straight infantrymen, seem more like Recon guys. I suppose recon can be infantry, but I'd think they'd be at least Rangers with LRRP training.
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02-19-2009, 02:54 PM | #2857 |
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Well, I think it's perfectly great to give your Joes additional training in your Joeverse... if Hit & Run went to Ranger School in your Joeverse, I think that's perfectly fine.
But over 1/3 of the guys in Special Forces don't have a Ranger tab... 1 in 3! A lot of really good Infantry Soldiers don't get to go to Ranger School. There just aren't that many slots down at Ft. Benning and it's really competitive, and some of it is just plain dumb luck. Ranger School is Small Unit/Infantry Leadership training. That's key to understanding what it's about... it's about training Infantry leaders: NCO's and Officers, primarily. It's often referred to as "A Master's Degree in Infantry" and there's a lot of truth to that. But it's not just for every soldier who is trained as an 11B. Most training to be a better Infantryman takes place within the units. The longer a soldier works as an Infantryman, the more proficient he becomes. Ambush, for example, is only an E-3... there's no way he's getting a slot at Ranger School. Even NCO's have to compete for it. Some units get more slots than others... the 82nd Airborne, the 101st Airborne, the 10th Mountain, and the 173rd Airborne get more slots than anyone other than the Ranger Regiment and Special Forces. Only Infantry Officers are guaranteed a slot at Ranger School. If an Infantry Officer doesn't have a Ranger tab, his career is over before it starts, generally speaking. So if Hit & Run isn't a Ranger, it doesn't mean he isn't a good Infantryman. It just means he's probably not the best choice for a squad leader. Just my opinion.
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02-19-2009, 03:11 PM | #2858 |
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To me the Joes are the best of the best and I'd think they'd all have some kind of leadership experience.
Don't want your leaders taken out, and the rest of the Joes looking around going "what now?". But don't necessarily need to have the tab to have gone on and gotten the extra training.
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02-19-2009, 03:53 PM | #2859 |
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All Joes should be E-5s. The E-4 should be like Green Shirt Squad Leaders at best. Aren't most Green Berets given a E-7 rank upon completion of the 18-24month "Q" course? I know certain people can enroll into the "Q" course upon enlistment, but I figure you must be an E-4 to even start training. So you will most likely be given more training than you would need to become an E-5. Like you said Oliver, Ranger school is as much a leadership training course as Infantry training. Green Berets would seem more so.
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02-19-2009, 03:57 PM | #2860 |
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Pretty interesting. But yeah, I think all the Joes get additional "Joe Training" that goes beyond what is normally taught in military schools. The biggest part of "Joe Training" would be integration of tactics from the other branches since the Joes have to work alongside branches they wouldn't (Rangers and SEaLs on the same mission for example). So I guess wouldn't necessarily have to have the Ranger tab, but it sure helps, lol. The Joes would be looking for exceptional soldiers, no matter what MOS.
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