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02-11-2009, 12:08 AM | #2571 |
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Green Arrow is a poor man's Hawkeye.
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02-11-2009, 12:19 AM | #2572 |
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Okay, so how I organize my Joe team...
Kind of doing this on the fly, been meaning to put it down, but it comes and goes and changes, etc... The Joes operate differently from normal military protocol. They're more "free" in mixing the different branches, but they follow strict lines in some cases. To understand the Joe-way, you have to be a Joe. Newbies take awhile to get used to it. The Joes care more about talent then just rank, but rank counts for a lot. Duke, Flint and Falcon head up the "sneaky" squads: rangers, SEaLs, black ops guys, etc... Claymore is in charge of the field intelligence operatives. Then the rest of the team is the assault teams. Grid-Iron leads up the infantry units, with sargeants under him (Rock 'n Roll, etc..). Steeler leads up the armor units. Major Barrage leads up the artillary units. Major Storm leads up logistics/supplies. Command is: Gen. Colton, reporting to the Pentagon Gen. Hawk, directly oversees the Joe operations and mission planning Col. Courage, mission planner/tactician Admiral Keel-Haul reports to Gen. Colton, but reports to Hawk for mission planning, heads up the Naval units. Payload (colonel?) reports to Gen. Colton, but reports to Hawk for mission planning, heads up the air units. Yeah, I'm going to need to sit down and really work this up.
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02-11-2009, 12:48 AM | #2573 |
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It took me most of notebook, and some long conversations with my brother for several months to develop the system we have.
Organizing the Joes well is not an easy task, and it's still a work in progress... when I got my new Custom General Rey figure and my new Custom Magnum P.I. figure - it put everything out of whack because they're high ranking officers. I'm not saying I have a perfect system. I'm not saying that anyone should necessarily organize their Joes like I organize mine. I have found that my system works really well for me, and I've yet to find a flaw in it... though it took a lot of trial and error to get it that way. My brother and I used to talk through scenarios: "X" happens, how is our chain of command able to react? How could it be more efficient? Which characters make the most sense? We've had to juggle Rank around just a little bit. A few promotions have been given out: Duke is now a Command Sgt. Major, and not just a First Sgt. Claymore is a Major. Falcon is a Captain. Steeler is a Major. But on the whole, we've been able to keep the characters in tact, and I don't think we've made any HUGE leaps in rank that might effectively change the character. Our collection of figures and vehicles is also pretty large. We're able to have some interesting units because we've been able to troop build. For example our Crimson Guard is pretty impressive, if I do say so myself. I think for me, what helps is that I purchase figures based on the job I need them to do. There are, of course exceptions for really cool characters (it is still a fun toy, after all). But I tend to buy what I need to fill out my chain of command. It helps me focus my efforts in the direction of meeting the needs of the big picture. I use my diagram of the chain of command (of which there are pages and pages) and I go after the figures I need to fill those slots. I recently got Gears, and that totally filled a slot I'd been waiting for. Gears is my MATO (G-4) for the whole Joe team. That's a huge Logistics/Support position. General Rey will really change things in Special Ops, but I think it will flow much more smoothly now, as it will with the addition of Magnum. Grunts are the hands and feet of the Team NCO's have always been the backbone of the Army But Officers are the lynch pins of the chain of command - they provide organization, structure, and hopefully the brains. Just my two cents.
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02-11-2009, 01:56 AM | #2574 |
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Ok based on 8 Alpha teams with a dozen members per team.
The joes would need an Arctic Team (Sub-Zero=CO, XO?, Blizzard=1stSgt) Naval Assault Team Airborne Team Urban Assault Team x2 Desert Team LRRP Team x2 Maybe the teams change per the mission. But Shockwave and Duke shouldn't be on the same team. The Joes need to be guys who can fight in any environment. Not everyone can be that guy. Maybe they just need to bring along an expert when the mission requires it. Like a Shockwave or a Dusty. They could chase down leads and some would be in European metropolises and others in hole of the earth hell holes like Afghanistan. GI Joe Armor would probably be more Armored Cavalry with your basic Joes like Grunt part of this unit. Like the Stryker Teams in Iraq. Artillery is now 8 pieces per platoon. But I suppose the Joes would get more use out of a Mobile Artillery unit. Neither would ever really be deployed unless they are fighting a large army. I always imagine the joes deploy Forward bases in specific war Zones where they have an Artillery Battery and a few tanks. If you run into trouble they come bail you out. Joe Armor or Artillery did not get much use in the first Marvel Run and even less in the Devil's Due Run. |
02-11-2009, 02:26 AM | #2575 |
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Ok based on 8 Alpha teams with a dozen members per team.
The joes would need an Arctic Team (Sub-Zero=CO, XO?, Blizzard=1stSgt) Naval Assault Team Airborne Team Urban Assault Team x2 Desert Team LRRP Team x2 Maybe the teams change per the mission. But Shockwave and Duke shouldn't be on the same team. The Joes need to be guys who can fight in any environment. Not everyone can be that guy. Maybe they just need to bring along an expert when the mission requires it. Like a Shockwave or a Dusty. They could chase down leads and some would be in European metropolises and others in hole of the earth hell holes like Afghanistan. GI Joe Armor would probably be more Armored Cavalry with your basic Joes like Grunt part of this unit. Like the Stryker Teams in Iraq. Artillery is now 8 pieces per platoon. But I suppose the Joes would get more use out of a Mobile Artillery unit. Neither would ever really be deployed unless they are fighting a large army. I always imagine the joes deploy Forward bases in specific war Zones where they have an Artillery Battery and a few tanks. If you run into trouble they come bail you out. Joe Armor or Artillery did not get much use in the first Marvel Run and even less in the Devil's Due Run. On your Arctic Team - Sub Zero is the only Officer who is an artic Specialist. Blizzard is an excellent First SGT. for a Warrant Officer, you might think about Snow Job - you'd have to promote him, but he's the guy who comes to mind as the best "technical expert" in the field. Just a theory. Your choice of types of teams seems really solid to me. And one thing that I think we may all overlook from time to time is that fact that G.I. Joe would probably have to rely on the greater strength of the real Armed Forces from time to time. A HISS tank division is still a TANK DIVISION. It might be time to call in 1st Cav at that point. I completely agree with you about paying closer attention to the Joe Armor and Artillery... you should see my combat engineer unit.
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02-11-2009, 03:23 AM | #2576 |
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Hey Guys,
here's something that's been bothering me lately... what to do about Action Man? DDP is of no help whatsoever on this issue. I think he's a character with a lot of potential... possible connection to Lt. Stone and/or Big Ben. How do you understand him as a part of the Joeverse? Just curious to see what y'all think. Maybe we can put together a better bio/file card for him.
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02-11-2009, 09:10 AM | #2577 |
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I see Action Man as an intell op. He's british isn't he?
I have him working as a field intelligence operative, he reports to Claymore, serves mostly in eastern europe, usually in deep cover and no support. He can provide a link to Lt. Stone (or vice versa, if have Stone first, then Stone recruits AM). Big Ben is British special forces, so he's a liason to the Joe team for european missions. Big Ben is one of my favorites, the last Joe I ever bought up until this year.
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02-11-2009, 09:18 AM | #2578 |
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Your choice of types of teams seems really solid to me. And one thing that I think we may all overlook from time to time is that fact that G.I. Joe would probably have to rely on the greater strength of the real Armed Forces from time to time. A HISS tank division is still a TANK DIVISION. It might be time to call in 1st Cav at that point.
(Think the Jedi and the Galactic Army in Clone Wars) I like the idea of mobile assault teams, I started structuring the Joes along those lines awhile ago. My original structure was kind of like what Loose Cannon just posted: specialized teams. Mobile Assault Teams were: Jeep (Vamp, Awe, Desert Fox, etc..) Armor (Mobat, Mauler, etc..) Medic Communications Heavy Weapons (machine gunners) Anti-Armor (Backblast kind of position) Artillary (HAL, Whirlwind, etc..) EOD (Tripwire, Lightfoot)
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02-11-2009, 09:47 AM | #2579 |
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Green Arrow predates Hawkeye by over 20 years, so I'd have to go with Hawkeye being a poor man's Green Arrow.
That's just me, though. Your mileage may vary.
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02-11-2009, 10:56 AM | #2580 |
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For my money, Duke is now, and will always be the Joe team's most senior NCO, with guys like Stalker, Gung Ho, Shipwreck, and Leatherneck right under him.
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