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02-10-2009, 06:06 PM | #2551 |
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I always figured that DDP just used the Red Shadows name as a homage. I didn't think that Wilder Vaughn could have been the Black Major.
Wouldn't really make sense, since the Black Major never existed in the DDP-Joeverse, since Cobra Commander was never Baron Ironblood.
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02-10-2009, 06:11 PM | #2552 |
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About Batman, I understand what you're saying but I will have to politely disagree. I still read Batman and Detective Comics every month and I love it... too bad about the current story line. However, Batman is rarely written well in JLA and it just doesn't fit. He's the worlds finest detective and perhaps the best marital artist... I don't care how many boards he can break, that doesn't mean he can run with GL, Flash, Superman, John Jones, and Wonder Woman. Batman is great, but he's best when he's in Gotham City fighting criminals.
On one hand, he's a street-level guy, can get surprised and taken out by normal everyday thugs. On the other hand, he's able to stand up to Superman. Which is he? Pick one. How he's handled in JLA depends entirely on the writer. Some can make it work and some can't. I like when it works. When, here's a normal unpowered guy, and he scares the crap out of guys on Superman-level. I love when that works, and it has before in the past (not reading JLA currently, so not sure if the current writer is making it work). It's always the problem with guys like Batman, Green Arrow, Captain America, Hawkeye, etc.. How to balance the street-level nature and still make 'em take on cosmic-level. It just doesn't work. Has to be one or the other.
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02-10-2009, 06:18 PM | #2553 |
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I think you're right on point on all this. The Maxipad thing was sadly true.
You've made me rethink my Duke and Flint Promotions. Guys like Duke and Flint although not the overall leaders of the Battalion, or whatever size GIJoe really is, would be very much involved in all the actual missions. They would be the center of the stories we would want to read. I mean nobody cares how many personnel actions Col Courage has to sign in a week, but we do care how many bullets Gung-Ho took to the leg. I don't think the guys at DDP knew how the military functions at all. Hama was good at keeping the realness there. Which is why the comic was always the Bible sort of speak. Quick Kick did not come off the set for a soft drink commercial and get added to the team. But Hawk answered to Flagg, who answered to Austin. I think the size of the Joe Force, not including pilots, and tech guys, would need to be at least 100 men. Basically a company of super trained individuals, and a battalion of support people. Like a Special Forces Company. So Six Squads with 6 COs(Major, Capt, Lt); 6XOs(WO2-4); and 6 1stSgts. With an overall Sgt Major who would outrank Duke, but wouldn't participate on missions, yet can make Duke, Beachhead, Stalker and Sgt. Slaughter drop and give him 20. like a R. Lee Ermy or the guy in "We Were Soldiers." Any less is almost not enough to fight a global war on terror. Really even this wouldn't be enough. But to write a comic about 30,000 men would be impossible. I like how the new comic is going in this regard. It seems like Stalker and Duke are actually equals. Scarlett's position is still a mystery. I completely see how your formula works, and I think it's a good set up. Makes a lot of sense and offers an excellent system of organization. I also agree that you would need at least 100 Joes to deal with a world wide terrorist Army like Cobra. I mean, seriously, are 12 Special Forces soldiers going to deal with a Battalion of HISS Tanks? Maybe. But then to have to jet around the world the same 12 soldiers deal with a Battalion of the Crimson Guard? And then to deal with 2 Companies of Alley Vipers laying siege to a city? Really? I think you get my point. 12 people can only do so much. I use Hawk as my overall commanding General I use Flint as my Chief Warrant Officer (CW-5) I use Duke as my NCOIC (CSM E-9) Duke and Flint would function like a top NCO and a Chief Warrant Officer should - the eyes and ears (or right and left hand, if you prefer) of the Command team. They make it happen, but they are not interchangeable. They work to together in a complementary role. That's my own take on how Duke should work. I really hated how they tried to turn him into a spy in DDP. Of the two of them, if anyone would have been recruited by C.I.A., it would have been Flint. Duke is just old school Army. He is the Airborne Infantry. But I'm interested in your idea of a different CSM. Who would you put in that position over Duke and Stalker?
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02-10-2009, 06:20 PM | #2554 |
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I couldn't agree more. This is definitely the best thread on this forum and the first one i check for updates. You & Troynos and the other regulars you mentioned really know your stuff and present some very well thought out views. I have felt welcome enough to chime in with my two cents on occassion and was never made to feel stupid or chastised for expressing my opinion. Here's hoping we keep it going for another 250 pages and beyond Yo Joe!
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02-10-2009, 06:23 PM | #2555 |
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02-10-2009, 06:25 PM | #2556 |
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I've had a hard tie fitting them in at times. And after the collapse of the Soviet Union, there shouldn't even be a team anymore. But I pretend they are all still there and they are all Russians. I'm not sure which Soviet Forces are the most elite, but Spetnaz and Naval Marines are repesented.
They are more concerned about Russian assets falling into terrorist hands and so they have their hands full on those border states. They do everything on the cheap. They don't have a Flagg or Skystikers, or Tank Commanders. Since Brekov is a Colonel he can pretty much requisition whatever assets he needs from Russian or friendly troops he encounters in Asia and Africa and parts of South America. Occasionally they cross paths with the Joes and usually they cooperate with them if there is no items to recover. Plus the Joes let them handle Interrogations. Other times I have them on loan as part of the Joe team but they really wouldn't be stationed at the Pitt. I figure they're still working for Russia... sort of like how the KGB never really shut down, they just changed the sign on the door. Vladimir Putin would be happy to use the October Guard whenever he thought it necessary.
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02-10-2009, 06:29 PM | #2557 |
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Oktober Guard:
They're smaller, so they can't do as much. I see them as being more of some Russian General's "secret" task force. They carry out small missions that require special touches. They wouldn't ever confront an army face to face, but they might sneak around and steal some plans or take out an asset or something like that. I'm thinking about stocking up on Russian Soldier figures from the Indiana Jones figures while they're still on sale. That could really beef up an international presence and provide some help and context for the October Guard.
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02-10-2009, 06:32 PM | #2558 |
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That's why I've never been able to get into Batman, the two "faces" so to speak.
On one hand, he's a street-level guy, can get surprised and taken out by normal everyday thugs. On the other hand, he's able to stand up to Superman. Which is he? Pick one. How he's handled in JLA depends entirely on the writer. Some can make it work and some can't. I like when it works. When, here's a normal unpowered guy, and he scares the crap out of guys on Superman-level. I love when that works, and it has before in the past (not reading JLA currently, so not sure if the current writer is making it work). It's always the problem with guys like Batman, Green Arrow, Captain America, Hawkeye, etc.. How to balance the street-level nature and still make 'em take on cosmic-level. It just doesn't work. Has to be one or the other. I feel the same way about Captain America. I'm a huge fan, but he doesn't need to be running around with the Fantastic Four and Thor and the Silver Surfer.
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02-10-2009, 06:35 PM | #2559 |
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I see the Joe teams like Loose Cannon described 'em, about a 100 man unit of specially trained guys with a large support staff.
They "borrow" the greenshirts from the regular branches for stuff like invading Cobra Island and taking back cities. Yeah, Flint and Duke are the backbone of the team. Between the two of 'em, there isn't a mission they aren't capable of leading/performing well in. They definately shouldn't be command, these are field guys. They're at their best leading the various Joe missions. Flint, Duke and Falcon are my 3 Joe field leaders for the special ops units of Joe. Capt. Grid-Iron, Major Barrage and Steeler are the batalion commanders.
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02-10-2009, 06:37 PM | #2560 |
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Oktober Guard:
They're smaller, so they can't do as much. I see them as being more of some Russian General's "secret" task force. They carry out small missions that require special touches. They wouldn't ever confront an army face to face, but they might sneak around and steal some plans or take out an asset or something like that. Now, that in mind, maybe there's more then 1 Oktober Guard? Back in the cold war/80s, I could definately see Russia maintaining lots of little OG units that didn't know about the others and performed missions no one else knew about. That would explain why Brekhov and Red Star look alike. Hhhhmm.. maybe some Russian scientist found a way to clone people and that's where Mindbender got his research from? |
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