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04-07-2020, 10:34 AM | #23411 |
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At the very least I’d say a pilot’s certificate with a glider rating.
And maybe some target practice while gliding. World War II glider pilots earned the MOS 1026 and Glider Pilots wings.
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04-07-2020, 11:27 AM | #23412 |
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What qualifications would Grunt, Airborne (Marvel #11), Skymate, Cloudburst and Spirit need in order to qualify as military glider pilots? Would they have to be able to fly the glider planes also and earn their "wings," so to speak, in order to be able to operate their contraptions?
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The United States Army ended that skill qualification, and the Glider Badge, some 58 years ago, but the 101st Airborne Division still features it on some of their flags and heraldry. The term “Airborne’” used to include parachute, glider, and air-landing units, but today only means parachute units. The United States Air Force Academy uses TG-16A gliders to train cadets in the fundamentals of flight, but those are more of a sailplane, and has nothing to do with any of the G.I. Joe gliders. If an Army unit wanted to conduct specialized skill training in the use of hang gliders that would most likely be at the unit level. The file cards for Grunt mentions “Falcon Glider School”, and that he requalifies on everything every two years. It’s probable that Spirit does also, as the Air Commandos Leader (but mostly because he is a leader of scout patrols, and not so much about Glider pilot skills). Cloudburst’s file card tells us the most, suggesting that the Army used his skills to develop ultra-stealth gliders for military recon and special troop insertion, and that they have him on special assignment to the G.I. Joe team as the in-house glider specialist. That makes me believe that this program is unique to the G.I. Joe team, and that training would be conducted at the unit level. There would only be a need to create a qualification for glider pilot if the Army decides to create a program to be shared among several units. Until then, I wouldn’t expect there to be any.
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04-07-2020, 03:46 PM | #23413 |
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When you say at the unit level, how large does the unit have to be to develop it’s own unique training program? At what point would the army establish a program that would be open to others?
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04-07-2020, 04:37 PM | #23414 |
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If G.I. Joe were a secretive United States Army Special Forces unit, it would not publicize or share with the rest of the Army, or with the world for that matter, the operation and tactics employed by pilots using ultra-stealth gliders for military recon and special troop insertion. The team would probably be the first to create the training program, which would exist only with the G.I. Joe team if they were the only soldiers operationally using the gliders. (I am assuming that COBRA’s copied gliders are using stolen technology, similar to the stolen J.U.M.P. pack technology they are using.) But if more than one Army unit were using these same ultra-stealth gliders for a similar purpose, then a standardized training program would be developed by the Army. Soldiers could become proficient on these gliders prior to reporting to the G.I. Joe team, possibly having qualified on the equipment during an assignment to a previous unit which used them. Alternatively, if the needs of the Army were large enough to require a great many soldiers to be using the gliders at all times, then an actual school could be funded by Congress, an MOS created for it, and a qualifier badge or pin earned by soldiers (similar to World War II era).
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04-07-2020, 05:02 PM | #23415 |
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Firefly's gun looks like a MAT-49. I think it depends on how many people need the skill and if the unit has a continuing need to train and maintain that skill. For a handful of guys like the Sky Commandos, you could probably send them to a commercial hang gliding school. Sunbow G.I. Joe could have enough people using the gliders that they might have their own training program, similar to the US Navy Jump School. It's a school taught by a mix of civilian and former military instructors. To be service wide, you'd need enough demand from other units for the skill. So not likely to happen with individual gliders.
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04-07-2020, 05:06 PM | #23416 |
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If G.I. Joe were a secretive United States Army Special Forces unit, it would not publicize or share with the rest of the Army, or with the world for that matter, the operation and tactics employed by pilots using ultra-stealth gliders for military recon and special troop insertion. The team would probably be the first to create the training program, which would exist only with the G.I. Joe team if they were the only soldiers operationally using the gliders. (I am assuming that COBRA’s copied gliders are using stolen technology, similar to the stolen J.U.M.P. pack technology they are using.)
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04-07-2020, 05:31 PM | #23417 |
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Because COBRA openly displays that their war machines are supplied by M.A.R.S., I believe that the United States would lawfully be required to refuse all business dealings with Destro, at least in a real world setting. (In a Sunbow animations setting, not so much.)
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04-07-2020, 05:44 PM | #23418 |
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Destro could get away with doing that to smaller nations, but the first time he sold to the United States and Cobra, would be his last time making a sale to the United States.
Because COBRA openly displays that their war machines are supplied by M.A.R.S., I believe that the United States would lawfully be required to refuse all business dealings with Destro, at least in a real world setting. (In a Sunbow animations setting, not so much.)
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04-07-2020, 06:59 PM | #23419 |
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M.A.R.S. has built many weapons for Cobra using G.I. Joe’s secrets, such as: 1982 XMLR-1A shoulder-fired laser rifle 1982 HAL Heavy Artillery Laser (indirectly maybe, if the Red Shadows scientist Red Laser did it) 1982 JUMP jet propulsion unit 1982 MMS mobile missile system 1982 MOBAT multi-ordnance battle tank 1982 RAM (for the Dreadnok’s ground assault motorcycle) 1982 VAMP (to create the Stinger) 1983 FALCON glider 1983 Skystriker combat jet 1983 Twin Battle Gun 1984 SHARC 1984 Sky Hawk (for the Dreadnok’s Air Assault VTOL) 1985 Snow Cat 1986 Conquest X-30 1986 L.A.W. laser artillery weapon 1987 Ultra-Sonic Photon Rifle 1991 one-man aerial craft glider 1991 G.I. Joe Battle Copter 1992 Barracuda submarine 1993 Monster Blaster A.P.C. 1994 G.I. Joe Power Fighter battle suit I’m only stopping here because my fingers are getting tired of typing. COBRA will never tire of stealing G.I. Joe technology (so long as Hasbro can continue to profit by reusing existing tooling in different colors to sell more toys).
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04-07-2020, 11:47 PM | #23420 |
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In Marvel Comics canon, he sold ammo and weapons to the Joes during the Cobra Civil War. They didn't know, of course. It was a corrupt senator and general doing the wheeling and dealing. IIRC this was issue 77, the one with Grunt, Lola, and Roadblock on the cover.
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