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04-07-2018, 09:09 PM | #22691 |
Crimson Guard
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That fits Duke like a glove!
That always got me with the old Marvel run. Guys like Stalker, Duke and Snake-Eyes serving in Vietnam (68-ish) yet still running around in 1994 (when the comic ended and I assume when the Joe timeline happens) like they are still in their 20's or 30's. Hauling heavy packs on their backs, jumping out of airplanes, enduring extreme elements, injuries, etc. These guys are going to have bad knees, backs that spasm uncontrollably, torn ligaments, etc. Their 1994 bodies are not going to be doing what their 1968 bodies could. These guys are going to be in more administrative tasks and not leading assault or recon teams on missions. Not exactly "sexy" or "heroic" work but it is necessary work for a unit to succeed. Duke: "Went Special Forces in 1969. " (v.1 file card) Duke would probably be 19, too, when he joined Special Forces in '69. He would have been 33 in '83 when he joined the JOEs. He would have only been 44 when the team disbanded in '94. Not too bad. |
04-08-2018, 07:34 AM | #22692 |
Crimson Guard
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Which brings us back to that moment early in the ARAH run when most of the original 13 were assigned to administrative duties (and issue 82 when some were seen running a selection course): a lot of these guys may be fitter in their 40s than many young troops in their 20s, but there comes a time when their experience and knowledge makes them better suited in training roles or intelligence roles or roles that involve less direct action (see the first couple of paras here about a guy transitioning from being an assaulter to the Advance Force Operations element: https://sofrep.com/42128/delta-force...ult-objective/). That aspect wasn't really played out in the comic, but could have made for more logical transitions to new characters.
Every other year or so, I felt like Hasbro was replacing older characters: Dial-Tone for Breaker; Footloose for Grunt; Beach Head for Stalker; etc. There's even an issue where Lady Jaye and Ripcord introduce themselves to Scarlett and Grunt (I think) as their "replacements." Same thing with vehicles: Mauler MBT for the MOBAT; AWE Striker for the VAMP; Silver Mirage for the RAM; etc. My interest in G.I. Joe ranges from '82 to about '87 (when I turned 14), with just a handful of characters beyond. So, in my "Joeverse," I place the timeline "in the not so distant future" like how R.O.C. did. This makes their ages a little more ambiguous. So, when I customize figures and file cards, they are not so time-specific. I like to think of guys like Joe Colton and Keel-Haul as being in their mid to late '60s; Hawk around 45 (young BG); and then the rest of the team at least 10 yrs younger than Hawk ("young guns" so to speak - Duke and Flint around 35, others like Stalker, RnR, Scarlett and Snake Eyes being around 32-ish). My goal (one day) is to post a fan-fic photonovel/dio-story where I flesh out my idea about G.I. Joe. Jason |
04-11-2018, 11:34 AM | #22693 |
Crimson Guard
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CRIMSON GUARD
Specialist / Corporal (E-4), or equivalent Lawyers, Accountants, Money Launderers, Assassins “The Crimson Guard are the elite shock troops• of the COBRA Legions. All CG's must be college graduates as well as being in top physical condition… Crimson Guardsmen are too precious to be wasted on the conventional battle field…” • Shock troops or assault troops are formations created to lead an attack. They are often better trained and equipped than other infantry, and expected to take heavy casualties even in successful operations. • “Shock troop” is a calque, a loose translation of the German word Stoßtrupp. Military units which contain assault troops are typically organized for mobility with the intention that they will penetrate through enemy defenses and attack into the enemy’s vulnerable rear areas. Okay, if the CGs are "shock troops" but are too important to be wasted on a "conventional" battle field, where in the @#$% would they be used? "Shock troops," by definition, are troops that will take heavy casualties. Granted, the CGs have tanks, but where would they use them? And if they're so important, why are the called "shock troops" on their file cards? It seems like a contradiction... |
04-11-2018, 01:58 PM | #22694 |
Commando
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it IS a contradiction.
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04-11-2018, 02:39 PM | #22695 |
Crimson Guard
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The only way I can see it is this way, possibly: a Crimson Guard lawyer or accountant begins operating undercover for a crooked politician (3rd World country), Mafia kingpin, drug lord, etc. The CG takes what he can (perhaps to launder Cobra money or get dirt and / or information). Meantime, the CG becomes trusted and is able to sneak assets (like Crimson tanks) to hidden locations near his target(s). Once there are no more goods and information to safely obtain, the CG strategically sneaks in his fellow CG members for the finishing blow on this "unconventional battlefield" (office building, night club, garage, ranch, etc.)
Meanwhile, a contingent of Vipers stands ready, outside the scope of the enemy's / enemies' eyes. The Crimson Guard begins the attack. Despite being "shock troops," they have little to no casualties because of their intense vetting and meticulous profile of their target(s). They are some of the "best-of-the-best" of Cobra, and not mere cannon fodder. Every time they prove to be one of Cobra's greatest assets. They utterly destroy everything they can that might point to Cobra. If they start to lose, it hurts, but it ultimately doesn't matter, because the advancing army of Vipers arrives to mop up any loose ends (including any possible CG deaths). If the target is evil enough, Cobra might claim victory and win the favor of the abused locals in the vicinity. If not, all evidence of Cobra is removed and it is made to look like a gang war, political revenge, a hit, etc. (whatever fits the narrative). It should be noted: there is always the "Accountant CG" tallying up the cost and reporting back to Cobra Commander. Nobody wants to cross this "number cruncher!" Last edited by seaneley; 04-11-2018 at 02:52 PM.. |
04-15-2018, 12:18 PM | #22696 |
Crimson Guard
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Late to the party on this one....
I don't see CG's as frontline fighters at all. I see them mainly doing infiltration missions and maybe a small cell of them performing a quick night raid on a small target. I don't like the idea of them employing armor assets either. That would be reserved for HISS drivers, Track-Vipers and Nitro-Vipers. I think I previously brought up that I was going to make some CG agents in my Joe-verse infiltrate county government. I think starting small and working their way up would be more the way to go to assert control over government. First Springfield, then other nearby small towns, then the county they reside in, then on to larger things. That county clerk people voted in could move on later to be a senator of that particular state....only he has a CG uniform hanging up in his closet. |
04-16-2018, 10:33 AM | #22697 |
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In addition to three original Dreadnoks being Tom, Dick, and Harry, and Winkin, Blinkin, and Nod, their compatriot Monkeywrech's name is Bill Winkie. He is named after the Scottish nursery rhyme "Wee Willie Winkie."
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04-16-2018, 12:41 PM | #22698 |
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I can't remember if the Monkeywrench was ever brought up.
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04-16-2018, 01:00 PM | #22699 |
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Late to the party on this one....
I don't see CG's as frontline fighters at all. I see them mainly doing infiltration missions and maybe a small cell of them performing a quick night raid on a small target. I don't like the idea of them employing armor assets either. That would be reserved for HISS drivers, Track-Vipers and Nitro-Vipers. I think I previously brought up that I was going to make some CG agents in my Joe-verse infiltrate county government. I think starting small and working their way up would be more the way to go to assert control over government. First Springfield, then other nearby small towns, then the county they reside in, then on to larger things. That county clerk people voted in could move on later to be a senator of that particular state....only he has a CG uniform hanging up in his closet. I feel like the Immortals might only be very small unit. Maybe 20 -30? They rotate out as battlefield bodyguards and other battlefield duties when Cobra Commander is on the battlefield. Something like if your left flank is caving, Cobra Commander might send a couple Immortals to add some resolve to the wilting unit. All are Colonels. I think the CG Commanders do command units. Perhaps small hit and run Special operations units. Can't imagine how those units would be comprised. I can't say how many of these guys there would be either? I mean are there squadrons of Crimson Vipers? Or is there Special Operations Squadrons mixing different Viper Classes run by a CG Commander. These guys are all Majors and Lt. Colonels. Crimson Elitehorsemen are the Mobility Troop Commanders of these units. Shadow Guards are the Secret Police of Cobra. I think there is a Crimson Guard attached to every cobra unit. Maybe only at the Battalion level? Maybe down to the Company level depending on the operation.
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04-22-2018, 09:02 AM | #22700 |
Hog Driver
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Someone revived an old thread with pics of typed file cards and I noticed it said Langley after Covert Ops School. So Steeler has CIA training?
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