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03-07-2018, 03:05 PM | #22531 |
Cobra Viper
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Need some advice from you guys. I create figures for all of the members of my joe verse and place them in the modern day. I plan to make Stretcher next and figure I'll have him as a PJ (I need more medics). Originally I was going to use the 50th Hit N Run as a base for him. After reading his filecard, it mentions that he is a "former Olympic weight lifter" & his "enormous strength".
With that, should I make him on one of the big guy bucks like Heavy Duty or Roadblock? Size wise, how big should a guy like this be? |
03-07-2018, 03:29 PM | #22532 |
W.O.R.M.S. Commander
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You know one day I made a list of all the big guys, and I left Stretcher off the list for some reason. But he is a big guy IMO. Heavy Duty sized I would say. Might I suggest Navy Corpsman.
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03-07-2018, 04:05 PM | #22533 |
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So I have been going through all the different types of Cobra troops and trying to make some sort of flowchart on their progressions (using their various filecards). Granted in my Joe-verse I will not have all the different types of troops as from a story perspective (set in a more modern take) it would be impractical for a para-military organization to have different uniforms for all these specialties. However I am looking at their progression just from how it stands in the filecards.
There has been a lot of confusion in regards to Cobra Troopers and Vipers. Which one is the "bottom of the barrel"? The filecards do not help clear this up unfortunately. Here is my various takes on this: 1) Cobra Troopers were the types of uniforms and equipment that was issued originally. As Cobra grew they updated all of their units to Vipers. However not all units were given the new uniforms and equipment and are sort of playing catch up. In reality this most likely happens in real armies. 2) Cobra Troopers represent the "Army" of Cobra Command whereas the Viper Corps represents the "Marines". Each has their own uniforms and equipment and their own MOS's. 3) You start as Trooper and move within the ranks before becoming a Viper. To me this is way far-fetched. If you look at the progression of a Snow Serpent technically they would start as a Cobra Trooper then a Cobra Diver then an Eel then a Snow Serpent before starting at the bottom as a Viper? That would be like a member of the US Special Forces starting over as an Infantryman. Just doesn't seem plausible. For the purposes of my progression I am going with scenario two. I will post some progressions when I get some more time. As an original '82 fan, I really prefer the blue-suit Cobras over Vipers. I like having Cobra Commander as the only "chrome dome" in the Legion. So, in my Joeverse, "Cobra" have the codename: VIPER, and "Cobra Officers" have the codename: VIPER OFFICER. I also blend other functions and codenames. Like "Stinger Drivers" are codename: MOTOR VIPER and "HISS Tank Drivers" are codename" Track Viper. I like the consistency of calling all the troopers a type of VIPER designation, except "Hydro-Viper" and "Ice-Viper." I don't like either of those names. So in my Joeverse "Cobra Frogmen" are still codename: EELS and "Polar Assault" Troopers are still codename: SNOW SERPENT. Jason |
03-07-2018, 04:09 PM | #22534 |
Commando
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as I've said before, re: Vipers/Troopers, I see the Troopers as your basic entry level Cobra with little to no professional military or paramilitary training. I'm thinking radicalised civilians, Third World terrorists/rebels who join Cobra thinking they'll get paid more, or maybe their leaders signed a peace deal and they want to continue the fight by any means. Vipers I see as people with professional training. Wayward ex-vets looking for a way to belong somewhere after their discharged from service, mercenaries looking for a steadier paycheck, renegades from hostile powers looking to get a chance to get paid more, etc.
Troopers would need a lot of time in service to Cobra to step up to Viper. Vipers can more easily move over to Eel, Crimson Guard, HISS Driver, Motor-Viper, etc. after a brief period of training and indoctrination if they've got a relevant background or aptitude. |
03-07-2018, 04:38 PM | #22535 |
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Yeah with the Naval Troopers how do you differentiate all the various Frogmen types.
One assumes there is a general Cobra Sailor, I mean does everyone need to be a diver? So lets think Cobra Has a small navy. Do they have a MArine force? Like do all Lampreys need to be Captains? Then there is the Sonic Version which definitely DON'T need to be officers. Then do Cobra Eels come from Cobra Sailors like the Navy Seals or like Royal Marines like the Special Boat Service? I like to think former military types excel quickly within CObra. Like a guy like Guillotine joined Cobra, had to sit around as a Cobra Diver for a mission or two and was quickly brought into the Eels. There probably isn't much of the training regimen for guys already trained. A guy like Snow Serpent Commander was probably similarly qualified. I agree Hydro-Vipers, and Ice-Vipers and Para-Vipers still pose an issue for naming conventions. Maybe we can explain it away, as the Viper Corps is essentially SOCOM and these three "Naval Units" are actually part of Cobra SOCOM. COSOCO COSCOM?? I would think ICE-Vipers would be better as ICE-Serpents since they just seem like Snow Serpents who drive. Para-Vipers I would equate to DEVGRU and are outside of Naval command and part of COSCOM. Hydro-Vipers and Morays? Both are genetically modified. Maybe the same, just One for CObra Naval, and another unit attached to COSCOM? I would imagine there wouldn't be too many of these guys.
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03-07-2018, 05:23 PM | #22536 |
Cobra Viper
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Location: Arlington, VA
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as I've said before, re: Vipers/Troopers, I see the Troopers as your basic entry level Cobra with little to no professional military or paramilitary training. I'm thinking radicalised civilians, Third World terrorists/rebels who join Cobra thinking they'll get paid more, or maybe their leaders signed a peace deal and they want to continue the fight by any means. Vipers I see as people with professional training. Wayward ex-vets looking for a way to belong somewhere after their discharged from service, mercenaries looking for a steadier paycheck, renegades from hostile powers looking to get a chance to get paid more, etc.
Troopers would need a lot of time in service to Cobra to step up to Viper. Vipers can more easily move over to Eel, Crimson Guard, HISS Driver, Motor-Viper, etc. after a brief period of training and indoctrination if they've got a relevant background or aptitude. |
03-07-2018, 05:28 PM | #22537 |
Crimson Guard
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Arkansas
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Yeah with the Naval Troopers how do you differentiate all the various Frogmen types.
One assumes there is a general Cobra Sailor, I mean does everyone need to be a diver? So lets think Cobra Has a small navy. Do they have a MArine force? Like do all Lampreys need to be Captains? Then there is the Sonic Version which definitely need to be officers. Then do Cobra Eels come from Cobra Sailors like the Navy Seals or like Royal Marines like the Special Boat Service? I like to think former military types excel quickly within CObra. Like a guy like Guillotine joined Cobra, had to sit around as a Cobra Diver for a mission or two and was quickly brought into the Eels. There probably isn't much of the training regimen for guys already trained. A guy like Snow Serpent Commander was probably similarly qualified. I agree Hydro-Vipers, and Ice-Vipers and Para-Vipers still pose an issue for naming conventions. Maybe we can explain it away, as the Viper Corps is essentially SOCOM and these three "Naval Units" are actually part of Cobra SOCOM. COSOCO COSCOM?? I would think ICE-Vipers would be better as ICE-Serpents since they just seem like Snow Serpents who drive. Para-Vipers I would equate to DEVGRU and are outside of Naval command and part of COSCOM. Hydro-Vipers and Morays? Both are genetically modified. Maybe the same, just One for CObra Naval, and another unit attached to COSCOM? I would imagine there wouldn't be too many of these guys. Jason |
03-07-2018, 08:28 PM | #22538 |
Crimson Guard
Join Date: Jul 2011
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The "mutant-type" Vipers are all troops who willingly underwent genetic experimentation. I doubt their ranks would be huge.
For example: I don't think a Hydro-Viper would boss anybody around. He's just used when a situation calls for someone that crazy. |
03-07-2018, 09:33 PM | #22539 |
Crimson Guard
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Location: Canada
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The original question was "based on file cards, who is equal to, or better than, Snake Eyes in the martial arts? Somebody out there has to present a challenge!" With the subsequent modifier of "villains." What does it take to be a highly trained ninja? Presumably Storm Shadow trained from childhood. Snake Eyes started in his mid-20's. He'd probably been exposed to some stuff in his childhood (I picture him on his high school wrestling team and doing a little boxing on the side, and doing some general street fighting), and clearly he showed an aptitude, but I've never really understood how he surpassed all the red ninjas (who probably started as kids). Maybe he focused on the fighting, and didn't do so well at the other stuff (poison, backflips, blow darts etc) Anyway, his v1 file card says that he "is proficient in 12 different unarmed fighting systems (Karate, Kung-Fu, Jujitsu) and is highly skilled in the use of edged weapons." Lets assume that the other 9 martial arts are primarily eastern (muai thai, judo, tae kwon do etc, plus boxing and greco-roman wrestling). And remember, the file card says "proficient," not that he's second cousin to the god of war. Zartan's file card says he's "an acrobatic-contortionist and a practitioner of several mystic martial arts. Very little is known of his background and origins, but most security agencies agree that he must have had European military academy training (probably St. Cyr)." Let's assume that, in addition to his time working with the French army, he's also done some merc work with Russian and Israeli mercs, and maybe some Brazilians, so those "mystic martial arts" are savate, systema, krav maga and capoeira (good teachers of which are probably scarcer than for eastern arts, so perhaps "exotic" might be more appropriate than "mystic"). Plus he probably has a childhoods worth of knife fighting, and may also have a bit of boxing and wrestling in his background. That makes for an interesting set of skills to contrast with SE, and would make for a pretty cool fight. Quote:
So I have been going through all the different types of Cobra troops and trying to make some sort of flowchart on their progressions (using their various filecards). Granted in my Joe-verse I will not have all the different types of troops as from a story perspective (set in a more modern take) it would be impractical for a para-military organization to have different uniforms for all these specialties. However I am looking at their progression just from how it stands in the filecards.
There has been a lot of confusion in regards to Cobra Troopers and Vipers. Which one is the "bottom of the barrel"? The filecards do not help clear this up unfortunately. Here is my various takes on this: 1) Cobra Troopers were the types of uniforms and equipment that was issued originally. As Cobra grew they updated all of their units to Vipers. However not all units were given the new uniforms and equipment and are sort of playing catch up. In reality this most likely happens in real armies. 2) Cobra Troopers represent the "Army" of Cobra Command whereas the Viper Corps represents the "Marines". Each has their own uniforms and equipment and their own MOS's. 3) You start as Trooper and move within the ranks before becoming a Viper. To me this is way far-fetched. If you look at the progression of a Snow Serpent technically they would start as a Cobra Trooper then a Cobra Diver then an Eel then a Snow Serpent before starting at the bottom as a Viper? That would be like a member of the US Special Forces starting over as an Infantryman. Just doesn't seem plausible. For the purposes of my progression I am going with scenario two. I will post some progressions when I get some more time. |
03-07-2018, 10:12 PM | #22540 |
Crimson Guard
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