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01-03-2018, 03:14 PM | #22451 |
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Just watched the Netflix series "The Toys that made Us" G.I. Joe episode.
They mentioned Larry Hama creating bios for the figures. Some concept characters were: Periscope (Real Name: Perry S. Kope), Submarine Commander Shell-Shock, Demolitions Specialist Tool Box, Robotics Specialist (wearing a exo-skeleton) Cypher (Real Name: Erika Kennedy, African-american female), Linguist / Translator Sparrow (Alecis "Alec" Scott), Glider Pilot / Intelligence Metro (J. Christian Rockefeller), Urban Assault Couple of new characters for your Joe Team. Did I miss any? Perry S. Kope sounds about as bad as Cutter's file name on his original card before we got his real first name before we knew "Skip" was a nick name. |
01-03-2018, 03:42 PM | #22452 |
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These sound a little more out there than the OG 13 from the Comic perspective. I suppose only Hama knows. I like to think those extra 4 panels were the next Group of Joes we saw in issue #11: Gung-Ho, Doc, Airborne, and Snow-Job. Although I could be wrong.
How much did Hasbro already have on the table or rather the cutting floor when they launched? I mean we got Tripwire the 2nd year, Sparrow instead of tan Grunt. SNAKE ARMOR may have been meant for the Joes originally. Periscope instead of Deep-Six or Cutter could have just as easily happened. I would have loved to see all these though.
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01-03-2018, 05:24 PM | #22453 |
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Definitely going with the modern era and most of the Joes serving in either Afghanistan or Irag. I almost thought of making Grunt a former Special Forces Weapons Sergeant but his code name would have no meaning.
I really like your idea about the short-handed patrol LT! I may have to use that. Quote:
Just watched the Netflix series "The Toys that made Us" G.I. Joe episode.
They mentioned Larry Hama creating bios for the figures. Some concept characters were: Periscope (Real Name: Perry S. Kope), Submarine Commander Shell-Shock, Demolitions Specialist Tool Box, Robotics Specialist (wearing a exo-skeleton) Cypher (Real Name: Erika Kennedy, African-american female), Linguist / Translator Sparrow (Alecis "Alec" Scott), Glider Pilot / Intelligence Metro (J. Christian Rockefeller), Urban Assault Couple of new characters for your Joe Team. Did I miss any? On a different note, do any characters from any faction use M202 Flash rockets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M202_FLASH)> ? I can't think of any, which seems odd given the prominent use in movies like Commando. Seems like it would have been more appropriate for the flamethrower guys than an actual flamethrower, or for some of the combat engineers. Like Tunnel Rat - it would have been a good way to "prep" a tunnel before crawling in. |
01-03-2018, 07:42 PM | #22454 |
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I would make
HAWK Green Beret Colonel or even Delta? Not sure how Delta and the Joes co-exist in your Joeverse. Steeler Maybe the 66th Armor Regiment of the 4th Infantry For example? (an Armor unit within an Infantry Division. I am not sure how many Armor units saw action in Iraqi Freedom. Stalker, Snake-Eyes, Rock'n'Roll, Zap, Breaker all Green Berets who crossed paths. Short-Fuze, Clutch Rangers? You have a pretty good set up. To set Grunt apart maybe make him part of the 1st Brigade Combat Team 4th Infantry Division. This way he has a tie with Steeler, who you might set up as the Deputy team lead or Unit Commander under Hawk. The 1st Brigade Combat team was in support of C Squadron of Delta when they captured Saddam. Not sure how old you want to make these guys. But he could have been a Squad Leader, who just finished Ranger School, and was part of Task Force 121 and Operation Red Dawn. Maybe Hawk and Snake-Eyes were part of C-Squadron at the time and saw Steeler and Grunt in Action, and they just know they have what it takes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_121 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Dawn Great suggestions! Delta actually exits in my Joe-verse, however, I will not be making any Joe former Delta. The Joe team will be a tier one unit like Delta and DEVGRU but it's main focus is counter-proliferation. I feel a move from Delta to the Joes would be a lateral move. Hawk will definitely be former Special Forces as I feel an officer in that MOS would more likely be placed in charge of a SMU moreso than one in the artillery field. I like where you are going with the 4th Infantry Division and the tie in with everybody. Nice research on that! Quote:
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These are some fun ideas. They lead to lots of "what if" scenarios. I might work Cypher into something I'm working on right now.
On a different note, do any characters from any faction use M202 Flash rockets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M202_FLASH)> ? I can't think of any, which seems odd given the prominent use in movies like Commando. Seems like it would have been more appropriate for the flamethrower guys than an actual flamethrower, or for some of the combat engineers. Like Tunnel Rat - it would have been a good way to "prep" a tunnel before crawling in. Last edited by john shaft; 01-03-2018 at 07:46 PM.. |
01-03-2018, 08:13 PM | #22455 |
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Sparrow was a blonde female. I could be off on the real name, like I said they only appeared oncreen for a second. Last edited by Darkhawk75; 01-03-2018 at 08:15 PM.. |
01-04-2018, 12:27 PM | #22456 |
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Well if they were worried about Empire then it was early on. I mean the 83 wave was a big push especially when you consider the vehicles and the Headquarters. But timeline-wise I can't narrow it down exactly. I need to look at an old Penneys catalog. I remember one Christmas where I got everything, both Star Wars and GI Joes, and it doesn't mesh up with when I thought it was.
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01-16-2018, 08:05 AM | #22457 |
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Hawk's a "missile specialist", right? Before he became the field commander of G.I. JOE as a Colonel, what would he have been doing? I seem to remember a DDP issue where he said he sat at a "radar control" for 3 years. Hama also retro'ed in that he was serving in Borovia for a time with Stalker ("G.I. JOE: Classified") = "seen action in a number of trouble spots" (file-card 1)... Any clues what he would probably have been doing pre-1980, before forming the JOE team? "USA ENG COM EVR?" (file-card 1) What were his duties? I really don't know much about the career of a missile specialist who eventually becomes a General.
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01-16-2018, 02:31 PM | #22458 |
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Now that I am re-reading this filecard I am sort of seeing it in a different light. I kind of wonder what Hama was trying to imply. The missle system as a toy was never all that much fun. Especially since there was nothing to shoot down initially. All that aside.
I take it, that like James bond who was a Nuclear Submarine Commander, Hawk would need the highest clearances available. These Missle commands don't sound all that glamorous, but as an officer, the level of secrecy he would have to maintain would be at the highest levels. Added to this "seen action in a number of troubled spots" might take on a new definition. Like if the US is selling armaments to other countries on the down low then he might be the guy they send. Stinger missles in Afghanistan comes to mind, although handheld, and wasn't until 85-86, it still gives him some "street Cred" as someone who has been in the thick of it. But I think the HAWK missle system was sold to a few of the Middle Eastern states and Israel, right around this time period when GIJoe was formed.
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01-21-2018, 03:21 PM | #22459 |
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Stinger missles in Afghanistan comes to mind, although handheld, and wasn't until 85-86, it still gives him some "street Cred" as someone who has been in the thick of it. But I think the HAWK missle system was sold to a few of the Middle Eastern states and Israel, right around this time period when GIJoe was formed.
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01-21-2018, 03:30 PM | #22460 |
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I have a question about Sneak Peek: is he best used as a reconnaissance guy or as a forward air controller?
Here's my pitch, and it's based on his periscope. I think the periscope is stupid. His file cards describe him almost like a poacher, but then he's got this enormous device that must weigh over 50 pounds. How can one be sneaky with that? And what is it?! In the early 80's the 9th Infantry Division tested some high tech stuff. There's a report available here: Motorized Experience of the 9th Infantry Division, p. 327 shows a long range electro opics device, described on p. 319 as "The Long Range Electro-Optical (LREO) System was an amplification camera system designed to provide long-range day (30 km) and night (19 km) surveillance of the battlefield. Images could be recorded on a videocassette recorder with a display of azimuth, elevation, and date/time group for analytical purposes. When in a direct support role, information collected was sent concurrently to the supported unit and the MI battalion operations center." That's as close as I can match up the peri with something real, from the time period - which looks like it weighs even more than the peri, and is tripod-mounted. But it doesn't match the capabilities described in SPv2 (Sneak Peek (v2) G.I. Joe Action Figure - YoJoe Archive) with range finders and parabolic microphones. To my mind, something like an AN/PAQ-1 (https://picryl.com/media/an-army-ran...e-quick-a1d693) would make more sense. All SP versions include binos and a radio, so he could find a target, call it in, and paint it for a laser guided bomb. Then that peri, and perhaps the radar station (YOJOE.COM | Radar Station), depicted as being carried by Sneak Peak, could be chucked in a vehicle for more appropriate transport to an observation post. But none of the file cards refer to anything other than observation of the enemy. So how do you see him being used? |
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