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12-29-2017, 09:57 AM | #22441 |
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It also sounds a bit like Blue Light (referred to in Falcon's filecard), the interim CT unit created within 5th Special Forces Group while Delta did its 2-year stand-up (Blue Light: America's first counter-terrorist unit) (long read, do a search for "Mountel.")
The "just take friends" model worked for Blue Light and the early days of ST6 because of common backgrounds. The Green Berets had all done SF selection, were Vietnam vets, and many were on Green Light (portable nuke) teams. The SEALs had all done BUDS, and Marcinko allegedly looked for combat vets. That commonality leads to a "known quantity." It seems to work quite well - for a short duration. Delta drew from across the whole Army, so had to create its own selection to ensure consistency in people coming from line units, airborne units, Rangers, SF etc. I think that its first cadre of instructors had all done SAS selection. ST6 had to create a more formal selection process after a certain point too. If you're looking for a short term, tiny unit, then Stalker and Duke could certainly pick out people they'd served with in MACV-SOG. If you expect Joe to last longer (like the Hasbro line), then that could develop with the hand-picked Joes "assigned to administrative status" becoming the instructors for the subsequent intakes. |
12-29-2017, 09:59 AM | #22442 |
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Sounds a bit like how Richard Marcinko picked the first guys for SEAL Team 6. He went through the personnel files of all active SEALs, then interviewed the guys he wanted on his team. They traveled to a lot of different civilian and military schools to learn the skills Marcinko thought his team needed.
My hardest thing to justify is how Hawk selected someone like Grunt if I go this route. If it is a case with potential members trying out for selection I could see Grunt (despite not having an impressive background or schooling) passing with flying colors. However if I go with Hawk personally selecting his first few members from soldiers he has come across in his career how would Grunt make an impression on him? Grunt is just an non-SOF Infantry soldier and crossing paths with an officer who has spent most of his time in the artillery field would be slim to none. Of course it could be Stalker who maybe got the recommendation from one of the other original 13 who had served with Grunt.... And if the original 13 had to go through a selection process who would be the soldiers that would be the ones selecting them? From reading Eric Haney's book Inside Delta Force it seems a lot of the soldiers who performed the selection process also served within the unit in a combat role as well. So who selected them and did they have to go through some sort of selection process? |
12-29-2017, 10:37 AM | #22443 |
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It also sounds a bit like Blue Light (referred to in Falcon's filecard), the interim CT unit created within 5th Special Forces Group while Delta did its 2-year stand-up (Blue Light: America's first counter-terrorist unit) (long read, do a search for "Mountel.")
The "just take friends" model worked for Blue Light and the early days of ST6 because of common backgrounds. The Green Berets had all done SF selection, were Vietnam vets, and many were on Green Light (portable nuke) teams. The SEALs had all done BUDS, and Marcinko allegedly looked for combat vets. That commonality leads to a "known quantity." It seems to work quite well - for a short duration. Delta drew from across the whole Army, so had to create its own selection to ensure consistency in people coming from line units, airborne units, Rangers, SF etc. I think that its first cadre of instructors had all done SAS selection. ST6 had to create a more formal selection process after a certain point too. If you're looking for a short term, tiny unit, then Stalker and Duke could certainly pick out people they'd served with in MACV-SOG. If you expect Joe to last longer (like the Hasbro line), then that could develop with the hand-picked Joes "assigned to administrative status" becoming the instructors for the subsequent intakes. |
12-29-2017, 01:45 PM | #22444 |
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What time period are you setting the OG13?
But you are right Grunt needs some reinvention, but so does Hawk, which you have done. Grunt is a Jack of all trades kinda guy, who hasn't found his niche. Artillery Observer means some Comms, Recon Scout? Small Arms armourer, plus engineering degree.
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12-29-2017, 02:13 PM | #22445 |
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Your time period is going to be a factor. But let's assume very early '80's like the comic, with 'Nam being the common denominator. They could have all served in various Long Range Reconnaissance Patrols, or have been cadre at the Ranger School, or Recondo School. They may just have been in different divisions, but had some connections through shared experiences (Steeler's tanks relieved a surrounded patrol; Breaker was doing signals intelligence for a SF team; Zap, Short Fuze and Grand Slam helped set up a fire base to support a cross-border patrol with fire support; and maybe Grunt was a line guy but had been through basic with one or two of the guys who went LRRP, happened to be on a range at the same time as a couple of those guys who remembered him, impressed them enough with his marksmanship, and was grabbed for an in extremis op by a patrol that was short handed). You can pretty much transport those experiences to Iraq or Afghanistan or Philippines for a modern version.
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12-29-2017, 03:00 PM | #22446 |
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Definitely going with the modern era and most of the Joes serving in either Afghanistan or Irag. I almost thought of making Grunt a former Special Forces Weapons Sergeant but his code name would have no meaning.
I really like your idea about the short-handed patrol LT! I may have to use that. |
01-03-2018, 10:39 AM | #22447 |
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Just watched the Netflix series "The Toys that made Us" G.I. Joe episode.
They mentioned Larry Hama creating bios for the figures. Some concept characters were: Periscope (Real Name: Perry S. Kope), Submarine Commander Shell-Shock, Demolitions Specialist Tool Box, Robotics Specialist (wearing a exo-skeleton) Cypher (Real Name: Erika Kennedy, African-american female), Linguist / Translator Sparrow (Alecis "Alec" Scott), Glider Pilot / Intelligence Metro (J. Christian Rockefeller), Urban Assault Couple of new characters for your Joe Team. Did I miss any? |
01-03-2018, 10:55 AM | #22448 |
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I haven't watched it, but those are some great codenames. Did it say about when those characters were rejected or was it in the final years of ARAH?
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01-03-2018, 11:46 AM | #22449 |
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Definitely going with the modern era and most of the Joes serving in either Afghanistan or Irag. I almost thought of making Grunt a former Special Forces Weapons Sergeant but his code name would have no meaning.
I really like your idea about the short-handed patrol LT! I may have to use that. HAWK Green Beret Colonel or even Delta? Not sure how Delta and the Joes co-exist in your Joeverse. Steeler Maybe the 66th Armor Regiment of the 4th Infantry For example? (an Armor unit within an Infantry Division. I am not sure how many Armor units saw action in Iraqi Freedom. Stalker, Snake-Eyes, Rock'n'Roll, Zap, Breaker all Green Berets who crossed paths. Short-Fuze, Clutch Rangers? You have a pretty good set up. To set Grunt apart maybe make him part of the 1st Brigade Combat Team 4th Infantry Division. This way he has a tie with Steeler, who you might set up as the Deputy team lead or Unit Commander under Hawk. The 1st Brigade Combat team was in support of C Squadron of Delta when they captured Saddam. Not sure how old you want to make these guys. But he could have been a Squad Leader, who just finished Ranger School, and was part of Task Force 121 and Operation Red Dawn. Maybe Hawk and Snake-Eyes were part of C-Squadron at the time and saw Steeler and Grunt in Action, and they just know they have what it takes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_121 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Dawn
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01-03-2018, 03:08 PM | #22450 |
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Just watched the Netflix series "The Toys that made Us" G.I. Joe episode.
They mentioned Larry Hama creating bios for the figures. Some concept characters were: Periscope (Real Name: Perry S. Kope), Submarine Commander Shell-Shock, Demolitions Specialist Tool Box, Robotics Specialist (wearing a exo-skeleton) Cypher (Real Name: Erika Kennedy, African-american female), Linguist / Translator Quote:
Sparrow (Alecis "Alec" Scott), Glider Pilot / Intelligence
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Metro (J. Christian Rockefeller), Urban Assault
Couple of new characters for your Joe Team. Did I miss any? |
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