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10-12-2017, 02:40 PM | #22291 |
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So in a brigade's Military Intelligence Company there are usually three HUMINT Collection Teams of four collectors each. The 2011 TOE for a team looks like this:
1. HUMINT Sergeant, SSG (35M3L) 2. HUMINT Collector, SGT (35M2L) 3. HUMINT Collector, SPC (35M1O) 4. HUMINT Collector, PFC (35M1O) Which Joes do you think are best suited for the job? Based on specialties and rank, I'd go with the following: 1. SGT Scarlett 2. SGT Jinx 3. SPC Lady Jaye 4. SPC Quick Kick Mace also has an intelligence background but due to his high rank, he might be better suited for another unit, and now that Big Brawler has been given a Special Forces MOS on his recent Tiger Force file card, I'd rather keep him with an SF detachment. It also seems like a good place for Quick Kick and Jinx, whose hand-to-hand combat skills might prove more useful in close-quarter settings when collecting intelligence from dangerous sources. Do HUMINT collectors ever work undercover? |
10-12-2017, 03:51 PM | #22292 |
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Who else is there?
Chuckles? Agent Faces? Rook?
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10-12-2017, 04:18 PM | #22293 |
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Well, there's those and Action Man. I put Chuckles in a two-man Criminal Investigations Team, usually an E-5 thru E-7 paired up with a warrant officer, but I don't know who would make a good partner for him. Perhaps Action Man, though his file card emphasizes counter espionage, which sounds more like CI work.
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10-12-2017, 06:26 PM | #22294 |
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So in a brigade's Military Intelligence Company there are usually three HUMINT Collection Teams of four collectors each. The 2011 TOE for a team looks like this:
1. HUMINT Sergeant, SSG (35M3L) 2. HUMINT Collector, SGT (35M2L) 3. HUMINT Collector, SPC (35M1O) 4. HUMINT Collector, PFC (35M1O) Which Joes do you think are best suited for the job? Based on specialties and rank, I'd go with the following: 1. SGT Scarlett 2. SGT Jinx 3. SPC Lady Jaye 4. SPC Quick Kick Mace also has an intelligence background but due to his high rank, he might be better suited for another unit, and now that Big Brawler has been given a Special Forces MOS on his recent Tiger Force file card, I'd rather keep him with an SF detachment. It also seems like a good place for Quick Kick and Jinx, whose hand-to-hand combat skills might prove more useful in close-quarter settings when collecting intelligence from dangerous sources. Do HUMINT collectors ever work undercover? For 35M's I have: Quick Kick Lady Jaye Jinx Agent Faces Rook Helix Mace I made a US Marine 0211 Counterintelligence/HUMINT Intelligence Collector. I believe neither 35L and 35M's work undercover. From my understanding only a CID would work undercover. The problem with Chuckles character is yes he might work undercover but he would (from my understanding) not be working undercover against another nation's military or some terrorist organization. He would be investigating crimes done within the U.S Military (or committed by the Joe team specifically). So how the comics portray him would be incorrect (again this is from my understanding of a CID, anyone please correct me if I am wrong). I think the only people in a U.S organization who could truly work undercover (n other words covert operations) are CIA agents. |
10-13-2017, 07:26 AM | #22295 |
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I have Scarlett and Big Brawler (since it specifically mentions Army Intelligence on his filecard) as 35L Counterintelligence Special Agents.
For 35M's I have: Quick Kick Lady Jaye Jinx Agent Faces Rook Helix Mace I made a US Marine 0211 Counterintelligence/HUMINT Intelligence Collector. I believe neither 35L and 35M's work undercover. From my understanding only a CID would work undercover. The problem with Chuckles character is yes he might work undercover but he would (from my understanding) not be working undercover against another nation's military or some terrorist organization. He would be investigating crimes done within the U.S Military (or committed by the Joe team specifically). So how the comics portray him would be incorrect (again this is from my understanding of a CID, anyone please correct me if I am wrong). I think the only people in a U.S organization who could truly work undercover (n other words covert operations) are CIA agents. |
10-13-2017, 08:32 AM | #22296 |
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I always thought the point of Chuckles was that no one really knew his name or who he really worked for (file-card), but it was understood that he was CIA and had probably done some pretty nasty stuff. In my mind he's just as much a mercenary as CIA (like "Air America").
He is already part of a secret organization. Why does his background have to be anymore secret than the other Joes? If his cover is as a CID agent then wouldn't the other Joes be that more suspicious of him? From my understanding these "military detectives" investigate crimes within the US Army. With that being the case the other Joes would think this guy is there to investigate one of their own. Therefore he would not be trusted. If being secretive and not sticking out like a sore thumb is the key then he should have been given a more obscure MOS as his cover (unless he was prior US Army CID before joining the CIA). I think Joes like Jinx and Helix could easily pass as CIA operatives as (IIRC) there is no mention of military service on their file cards. Plus the Joes are going to need a CIA presence on missions in countries that the US is not at war with. |
10-13-2017, 01:45 PM | #22297 |
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According to the Law Enforcement Investigations field manual, "Outside of the United States, USACIDC’s investigative authority and investigative responsibility are determined by international treaty or agreement, including SOFAs, the policies of the HN government, the U.S. ambassador, and AR 195-2."
Apparently if there is a mutual agreement between sovereign nations, then agents can conduct limited investigations in foreign territories. CID agents can also conduct undercover operations just like civilian detectives, but like John pointed out, they are usually involved with military personnel, although there could be circumstances that extend their reach. If US military personnel were involved with smuggling drugs or guns, would someone like Chuckles have the jurisdiction to investigate the foreign parties involved? |
10-13-2017, 04:24 PM | #22298 |
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Not to change the subject, but the "purpose" of Fast Draw got me to thinking; and now I'm done with believing that guys like Roadblock and Rock 'n Roll are running through the jungles with a .50 caliber machine gun and quad Gatling cannons (the M-60 is okay though).
Roablock needs to live up to his name: no one gets by him while he is positioned wherever it is he belongs, and he is definitely not trotting around some jungle like the "Predator" movie. And he needs a loader to accompany him. Here's a list of some guys that are staying with armored vehicles or "play-sets" in my universe from now on: Roadblock (reasons stated above - he's only lugging his gear to his battle station) Double Blast (& he comes with Crosswire, who seems to be carrying ammo belts for him! Nice!) Rock 'n Roll (v.2; his equipment and ammo would have to be beyond ridiculously heavy - he needs to be placed with a stationary H.Q. or better yet, the Mobile Command Center) Fast Draw (anything with missiles that's mobile) Salvo (that Marvel issue in Benzheen was ridiculous considering the amount of hardware he was lugging) Rampart (the guy's great with missiles and electronics; DDP was stupid to kill him in the jungle... Why was he even there when he would be so much more useful on the Transportable Tactical Battle Platform or the Flagg???) And on that note: Pathfinder may take lead on "recon" and being a "forward observer", but he definitely needs to have a vehicle nearby to resupply his bulky gear when he's on the trail. |
10-13-2017, 05:52 PM | #22299 |
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I agree that Roadblock should belong to a vehicular unit like an assault platoon where he can serve as the fifty gunner on a HMMWV. In fact, Salvo would fit in there perfectly as well, given his TOW repair skills, and Mirage could be another candidate.
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10-13-2017, 06:14 PM | #22300 |
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If I were to use the RPV, I would give it to Bazooka. I know he's an anti-armor trooper but if you consider he used to be a Tank Crewman, so he could possibly fix the vehicle portion of it. It could also just be another vehicle he's qualified for. His Tiger Force figure (2015) saying he drives the Tiger Sting, and his 1993 figure saying he's qualified to drive the Blockbuster & his 2004 figure as the driver of the Quickstrike.
His 1988 Tiger Force figure saying his Secondary MOS as the Tiger Shark Driver, I chalk up to he's a civilian Boat operator to go fishing. And at the time the only one w/ boating knowledge so he was trained to drive the Tiger Shark. Also who are all the Joes who can fly a Skystriker (non-pilot characters)? I would give them the Secondary MOS as UAV Operators (the small ones that came w/ Duke & Bombstrike) to pay homage to them being Skystriker qualified pilots. To me it makes more sense. Last edited by Darkhawk75; 10-13-2017 at 06:29 PM.. |
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