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04-17-2017, 06:33 PM | #21901 |
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Was just able to do a glance at these this morning. I noticed that there are no longer any senior and junior operators in the actual Special Missions Section, EOD technicians are no longer organic to the Special Missions Section (the idea was growing on me), and there is no longer a dive technician in the Multifunctional Support Section. You always have a great explanation for the changes you make so I was wondering the reasons for these changes.
each Section's dive equipment maintenance needs just as well or even better than having two full-time divers assigned to the entire Detachment, whilst cutting down on overall manpower requirements. As for splitting off the EOD techs into their own section (again), I was simply mirroring how EOD support elements are administratively attached to SEAL elements. While EOD techs can and are routinely attached as individuals to SEAL platoons, "on paper" they're their own thing. So with this notional Joe team, the EOD techs can either be deployed as their own section, or they can be attached singly, in pairs, or as a group as necessary to one of the three Special Mission Sections. |
04-19-2017, 08:39 AM | #21902 |
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Thanks Z!
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04-25-2017, 08:26 PM | #21903 |
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So looking over both Tyroc and zuludelta's assault troop and special mission section respectively I was wondering if the attached enablers would assist in an actual mission such as room clearing? I understand that the enablers would be present but lets say you split the actual troop/SMS into two stacks to clear a building (one in the front door and one in the back door). Would the enablers help in room clearing or would they hang back until the assaulters were finished and then enter the building? Tyroc's master breachers would most likely go with the assault team but I see the CBRN and MPC Handler's providing security until the assault team is finished.
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04-26-2017, 01:43 AM | #21904 |
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So looking over both Tyroc and zuludelta's assault troop and special mission section respectively I was wondering if the attached enablers would assist in an actual mission such as room clearing? I understand that the enablers would be present but lets say you split the actual troop/SMS into two stacks to clear a building (one in the front door and one in the back door). Would the enablers help in room clearing or would they hang back until the assaulters were finished and then enter the building? Tyroc's master breachers would most likely go with the assault team but I see the CBRN and MPC Handler's providing security until the assault team is finished.
For example, 1) the EOD guys will be part of the stack, but their focus will not be primarily taking out bad guys, their focus will be on providing Assault Improvised Explosive Device Disposal (AIEDD) support. Their focus is on speed, keeping the assault momentum flowing. Instead of room clearing, their task is to quickly assess / clear (by marking or disarming) any explosive threats to the assaulters or hostages / materials which includes dealing with devices placed on hostages, suicide vests, and booby trapped access points. 2) The Dog Handler will be part of the stack but his focus will not be room clearing, he'll be focused on his assault dog who runs in with the point man or sometimes before, sniffing out explosives, weapons, bad guys, trying to drag bad guys out of the room, etc. The handler will be watching and tracking the dog's movements by a cam on the dog's back. 3) The CBRN guys are mostly reconnaissance and detection. Most of the time they will be attached at the beginning / target phase and the post assault phase for SSE and forensic activity. By doctrine, any WMD render safe procedures are done by a Technical Escort team (I think). The Chemical Reconnaissance guys attached to SF Groups get SFAUC and some get SFARTEC if supporting a CIF company (They are all Ranger qualified too). 4) The Heavy Breachers will be part of the breaching only, they get trained to conduct room clearing (they breach a structure and they start getting shot at) but their primary focus is on access. If they're part of an assault at all, it means that the structure is more durable, more inaccessible or exceed the capabilities of the assault team's organic breachers. I see the Heavy Breachers as problem solvers. The outside of the box thinkers who can look at a problem and come up with creative outside the military mind set solutions. I remember reading a story about an SMU unit which was tasked with breaking into a structure as a military exercise. The brass thought they had made an impenetrable door and dared the team to breach it, (thinking that they'd just expend tons of explosives and eliminate the advantage of surprise). They did when their heavy breacher spotted an open window on the 3rd floor of the structure in an out of the way location. The team scaled the building, entered through the window and cleared the building leaving the higher ups fuming because they solved the breaching issue in less than a minute. That's how I envision how the heavy breachers look at things. 5) The JTAC will be part of the support, either with the Troop Chief and Sniper element acting as their communicator, with the Troop Commander as a secondary communicator or directing air traffic (exfill, MEDEVAC, close air support, monitoring ISR assets like overhead drones, etc) |
04-26-2017, 07:36 AM | #21905 |
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With how you have your assault team organized (and the amount of members on it) it seems the HQ element would never have to be part of an assault stack. I wonder in cases such as a MARSOC MSOT team (14 members) or even zulu's SMS (12 members) if the Team Leader and Team Chief would also be part of a stack? Or would they be "loaned" members form another MSOT/SMS to increase the number of assaulters? It seems there should always be a support/command and control element hanging back.
On another note I have been thinking of Joes such as Airborne and Bazooka. If we go with Airborne being a former UH-60 Helicopter Repairer turned Infantryman and Bazooka a former M1A1 Armor Crewman turned Infantry it seems the only way to do that is to turn Infantry with the intent of trying out for the 75th Ranger Regiment. Otherwise I would think the U.S. Army would balk at a soldier going from a more technically trained MOS to a lesser (no offense to Infantryman though, I am just looking at this from a cost factor). Otherwise I would imagine the other option would be going Special Forces (rather than an Infantryman with the 75th). On the topic of Special Forces and Airborne and Bazooka....I was thinking of making Bazooka a SF Engineer (it does state he is "EOD qualified at the tac-op category which I liken to being EOCA qualified). If I went Special Forces with Airborne I would either make him a SF Weapons Sgt or maybe even a SF Communications Sgt. In Mark Bellomo's guide it states on Airborne's original dossier as having a SMS of RTO. EDIT: Forgot to add that "armor defeating weapon systems" as Bazooka's PMS could also mean anti-tank measures used by engineers as well (or I would imagine it would). Last edited by john shaft; 04-26-2017 at 08:29 AM.. Reason: Forgot something |
05-03-2017, 07:40 AM | #21906 |
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I'm curious about something: who are the two best Joes qualified to man the guns on the Tomahawk?
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05-03-2017, 07:43 AM | #21907 |
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Airborne and Star Duster, although Static-line has a Maintenance SMS so he might be a better fit as a crew chief.
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05-03-2017, 06:47 PM | #21908 |
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Definitely Airborne and Star Duster as Loose already stated. For Static-Line I was originally going with his version two as a "Avionic Mechanic" but I think as a UH-60 or UH-47 Helicopter Repairer would work good as well. From reading the description for an Avionic Mechanic it sounds like they wouldn't be a door gunner (in addition to maintaining a helicopter).
Going back to Tyroc's take on the Joe team (as a counter-proliferation unit) I would imagine that a unit like this would need an organic mobility section. I envision some missions where the assault teams fast rope (via helicopter) onto a target site to secure some weapons and the mobility section comes riding up to transport the weapons away. This would also find a place for the armor/transportation Joes such as Clutch, Crankcase, Steeler, Heavy Metal, etc. |
05-04-2017, 04:51 PM | #21909 |
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Okay, who would be best to sit in the gunner's seat on the Dragonfly & the Tomahawk? (I absolutely hate it when Wild Bill is placed next to Lift Ticket.)
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05-04-2017, 05:32 PM | #21910 |
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For the Tomahawk you could use Lift-Ticket and Tomahawk. For the Dragonfly, either Windmill, Major Altitude or Updraft.
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