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10-05-2016, 08:34 AM | #21421 |
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I know we have talked at length about how many members are on a SEAL Platoon (3 Officers and 16-18 Enlisted) and that they all have some sort of core skill (Sniper, Breacher, Communicator, Maritime/Engineering, Close Air Support, Corpsman, Point-man/Navigator, Primary Driver/Navigator (Rural/Urban/Protective Security), Heavy Weapons Operator, Sensitive Site Exploitation, Air Operations Master, Lead Climber, Lead Diver/Navigator, Interrogator, Explosive Ordnance Disposal, Technical Surveillance, and Advanced Special Operations). My question is does each SEAL Platoon require a certain number of billets for each of these core skills? For example if a platoon has 21 members on it (can be divided into three squads of seven) does that mean there has to be three medics and maybe three communicators (one for each squad) assigned to the platoon?
Special Forces ODA’s and MARSOC MSOT’s require certain billets (mainly Communications, Weapons, Engineer, and Medical) so was wondering if the SEAL’s did the same thing. If not this would make placing the Joe’s on Troops or Platoons much easier. For example characters such as Clutch who does not fall into the usual four categories that I mentioned could be the Primary Driver/Navigator on a Joe Troop/Platoon. Spearhead could be the Point-man/Navigator, and so on. |
10-14-2016, 08:29 AM | #21422 |
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I came across this, don't know if it helps
Each SEAL team also has competent team members with each individual having a special skill, so they can all interdependently work together. A four-man team for instance will often consist of a team leader, a medic/sniper, a communications specialist, and a sonar technician (Luttrell, 2007). It's from this website https://sites.psu.edu/leadership/201...ed-to-a-group/ and references this book in the quote Luttrell, M. (2007). Lone survivor: The eyewitness account of operation redwing and the lost heroes of seal team 10. Little, Brown and Company. That's about as much of a standard skill breakdown of a 4 man SEAL fireteam I've seen. |
10-14-2016, 10:54 AM | #21423 |
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Sonar Tech isn't a billet for the SEALS. On that particular team, Luttrel's team that is, Matthew Axelson had gone to ST school before BUDS so that was his rating. I think the writer misinterprets the information. Before Special Warfare Operator (SO) became an official rating in 2006, SEALS had to have non special warfare ratings like gunner's mate, sonar technician, and so on. No particular rating was required to attend BUDS.
They don't openly publish how many members specialize in certain skill sets but it can be interpolated from other information. Also, as a SEAL progresses he can attend more courses, so a senior SEAL is quite versatile. He may have attended medical training, sniper training, and communications courses. Last edited by Tanksmasher; 10-14-2016 at 11:10 AM.. |
10-14-2016, 11:14 AM | #21424 |
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All good points Tank.
Has anyone been reading the IDW Revolution stuff? There's a new Mayday, she's an African American Warrant Officer Chopper Pilot named Ayana Jones. I've found the story to be a bit 'meh' and thoroughly inconsistent, in Issue 2 they have a bio page for Scarlett and label her a MSgt when she's referred to as a Colonel in the text of the story. There's also a bit about her passing the bar without ever attending law school. Sigh. |
10-14-2016, 11:55 AM | #21425 |
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They should've changed her first name to Mary Sue while they were at it.
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10-14-2016, 03:03 PM | #21426 |
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All good points Tank.
Has anyone been reading the IDW Revolution stuff? There's a new Mayday, she's an African American Warrant Officer Chopper Pilot named Ayana Jones. I've found the story to be a bit 'meh' and thoroughly inconsistent, in Issue 2 they have a bio page for Scarlett and label her a MSgt when she's referred to as a Colonel in the text of the story. There's also a bit about her passing the bar without ever attending law school. Sigh.
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10-14-2016, 03:10 PM | #21427 |
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Yes, for the IDW series and she is now the current commander of the JOE team after a certain leader's "death" (who had been replaced by a Dire Wraith; don't want to give away too many spoilers). |
10-14-2016, 03:12 PM | #21428 |
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OH but a Colonel in both issues? I haven't picked it up yet, but this is not a ringing endorsement.
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10-14-2016, 06:22 PM | #21429 |
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I came across this, don't know if it helps
Each SEAL team also has competent team members with each individual having a special skill, so they can all interdependently work together. A four-man team for instance will often consist of a team leader, a medic/sniper, a communications specialist, and a sonar technician (Luttrell, 2007). It's from this website https://sites.psu.edu/leadership/201...ed-to-a-group/ and references this book in the quote Luttrell, M. (2007). Lone survivor: The eyewitness account of operation redwing and the lost heroes of seal team 10. Little, Brown and Company. That's about as much of a standard skill breakdown of a 4 man SEAL fireteam I've seen. Quote:
Sonar Tech isn't a billet for the SEALS. On that particular team, Luttrel's team that is, Matthew Axelson had gone to ST school before BUDS so that was his rating. I think the writer misinterprets the information. Before Special Warfare Operator (SO) became an official rating in 2006, SEALS had to have non special warfare ratings like gunner's mate, sonar technician, and so on. No particular rating was required to attend BUDS.
They don't openly publish how many members specialize in certain skill sets but it can be interpolated from other information. Also, as a SEAL progresses he can attend more courses, so a senior SEAL is quite versatile. He may have attended medical training, sniper training, and communications courses. Thanks for the replies guys! I am also finding any hard information on the makeup of a Seal fire team as well. I'll keep digging though.... Now to throw something else into the mix: We have discussed a Delta Operator gaining the additional SQI of "T' and that they retain their current MOS. I have read a couple of sources stating any MOS can try out to become an operator. If that is the case then say, for example, "Joe" a 92F Culinary Specialist tries out for selection and passes. Six months later he gains the "T" SQI indicating he is now a Delta Operator (while retaining his 92F MOS). He is placed in an Assault Squadron but what if he later wants to try out for Sniper School (which last I checked only takes soldiers from the 11 and 18 CMF and 19D's)? Does this leave him with no chances of becoming a sniper? I think of Combat Support Joes such as Airtight and several of the Combat Engineers. Do they take on a Combat Support role in the Joes or attempt to become "Operators"? This is taking into consideration that the Joe Team is similar to Delta. |
10-14-2016, 06:40 PM | #21430 |
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If this theoretical cook is good enough to become an operator, I doubt that he'd be restricted from sniper training. Given the type of training he receives they could also just have him reclassify his MOS to 11B.
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