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11-12-2008, 02:30 PM | #201 |
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11-12-2008, 03:59 PM | #202 |
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When in combat, Chaplains drive the Humvees, so the Chaplain Assistant can ride shotgun with the rifle. Every Unit in the Army has a Chaplain. The Ranger Regiment has Chaplains, Psy Ops/Civil Affairs have Chaplains, Special Forces have Chaplains... and all those Chaplains deploy into combat with their troops. Let me share a brief story. When the 173rd Airborne jumped into Northern Irag in 2003, one of their battalion Chaplains ( a Captain) got his gear and lined up with the troops to board the C-130. The Battalion Commander (Lt. Colonel) came by to inspect his troops prior to their first combat jump, and saw the Chaplain in line. He went over and told the Chaplain that there was no room for him on that air craft. The Chaplain politely stated that if his troops were jumping into combat, he was going with them - by the regulations the Chaplain was right. The LTC, not wanting to be corrected by a lower ranking officer, told the Chaplain that he was dead weight without a weapon, and that the Chaplain could not go and "take up space" because he was not carrying a weapon. The Chaplain then found an extra M-16 from the unit's armorer, and strapped it to his uniform and gear. He presented himself to the LTC, who laughed a little and told him to go ahead and Jump. That Chaplain jumped into combat with his troops, and as soon as he landed he handed that weapon off to his Chaplain Assistant. That story was told to us at Chaplain School at Ft. Jackson, SC - it's an example of what a Chaplain has to do to make his/her ministry work in the field. Now, I understand about how some people might be offended by the idea of a Chaplain, but as Troynos has mentioned: they are a part of the military. There are Chaplains from most major religions, but the most common type of Chaplain, by far, is Christian. There less than 10 Rabbi Chaplains in the Army - the whole Army There are even fewer Muslim Imams serving as Chaplains There are around 100 Christian Catholic Priests serving as Chaplains There are very few Buddhist Chaplains - probably about as many as their are Jewish or Muslim Chaplains. The rest are all Christian Protestant Chaplains. There are no Wickan/Pagan Chaplains Each Chaplain has to be ordained and endorsed by his particular Church/faith group. In other words, an ordained minister is the only person qualified to be a Chaplain. So, a chaplain is beholding to all the Army regulations for an Officer, and all of his/her own personal Church's regulations for Clergy conduct and doctrine. It's a fine line to walk because Chaplains are assigned to units. Every unit has soldiers of every possible faith. The Chaplain's main job is not to preach or evangelize. Rather, the Chaplain is the main source of counseling for a soldier - regardless of their faith or their personal circumstances. I have personally met with soldiers from all kinds of faith backgrounds, or no faith at all. Marriage counseling is a big issue. PTSD is another big issue. Helping soldiers think about ways to transition back into normal society is another one. In those instances, I've never preached about my particular religion; I've listened an offered non-partisan advice and counsel. Now when it comes to religion, Chaplains preach in the Post Chapels on Sundays or Saturdays, depending on the dictates of their religion. The Post Chapels at smaller bases are generally used multiple times by multiple groups. Larger bases may have more facilities. If a soldier comes to a Chaplain for religious concerns, the Chaplain has to do some basic level of evaluation. Is this soldier of a faith tradition that I can help, or is it beyond my capabilities and qualification? Chaplains on a base work together to pool their resources, and qualifications. For example, let's say you've got a Southern Baptist Chaplain and one of his Soldiers comes to him and says, "Hey Chaplain, my wife and I just had a baby and we want to get the baby baptized." Well, a Southern Baptist Chaplain is not allowed to baptize a baby because the Southern Baptist Church does not allow him to do so. So, that Chaplain would contact another Chaplain - one whose Church does allow a baby to be baptized, like a Methodist - and the other Chaplain would then meet with that soldier to see if he/she could help that soldier and his family. Now sometimes there are no Chaplains to meet a soldier's need, like a Satanist soldier - this happened once in the Navy. A sailor, who was a professed Satanist died and there were no Chaplains willing or able to perform such a ceremony. The Chaplain on board the ship contacted the Church of Satan and arranged for one of their officials to conduct the ceremony. The Navy went and got him and brought the Satanist official to the ship for the burial at sea. That's an extreme case, but that sort of thing happens all the time. With such a shortage of Jewish Rabbis and Muslim Imams, often times Army Chaplains have to go off-post into the civilian community and find clergy to meet the needs of their soldiers. As a personal example, a Catholic soldier once asked me for Communion. I know that as a Catholic, that soldier is not supposed to take Communion from a Protestant minister. No problem. I get along great with all the Catholic Chaplains, so I just called one of them, we set up an appointment and Fr. Valentine came over, we all went to one of the Chapels and we prayed together, then the Priest gave that soldier communion, and I was there to pray with and be with that soldier as his chaplain to support him. I couldn't take the communion because I'm a Protestant, but I was with them in the Spirit. That soldier got to know the Priest through that experience, and started attending Mass regularly. He was a young soldier, far from home, and he just needed some guidance on how to plug in at his new duty assignment. Similar things happen all the time with Jewish Soldiers. Their Chaplains help them find Rabbis and temples in their area, if there is not a Rabbi Chaplain. So, my point is with all this - G.I. Joe could have a Chaplain. The File Card would not even have to specify what religion that Chaplain represents... that could be left anonymous and, in turn, up to whomever purchased the figure. The file card could simply list the Chaplain's rank, serial number, place of birth, other school qualifications (Airborne, Ranger, Pathfinder, HALO, etc) and then say that they went to Theology School somewhere where any religion can attend: like Harvard or Columbia University. They could come in a two pack with a Chaplain Assistant who could carry a weapon. Because a good Chaplain certainly goes to the field. But I think the character would be at least as good as Doc or Life Line. Hope that clears a few things up.
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11-12-2008, 04:05 PM | #203 |
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Thanks Oliver. Didn't know that about the chaplains and their assistants.
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11-12-2008, 04:11 PM | #204 |
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Thanks, Oliver.
So with that said...I think "Shepard" is a good code name. HEY HASBRO!!! ps...Ft. Action Jackson...Hooah! |
11-12-2008, 04:13 PM | #205 |
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Shepherd. ;) Shepard is a common surname, shepherd is the one who herds sheep or provides religious guidance. Very common mistake.
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11-12-2008, 04:15 PM | #206 |
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So, my point is with all this - G.I. Joe could have a Chaplain. The File Card would not even have to specify what religion that Chaplain represents... that could be left anonymous and, in turn, up to whomever purchased the figure. The file card could simply list the Chaplain's rank, serial number, place of birth, other school qualifications (Airborne, Ranger, Pathfinder, HALO, etc) and then say that they went to Theology School somewhere where any religion can attend: like Harvard or Columbia University. They could come in a two pack with a Chaplain Assistant who could carry a weapon. Because a good Chaplain certainly goes to the field. But I think the character would be at least as good as Doc or Life Line. |
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11-12-2008, 04:16 PM | #207 |
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I was originally thinking Book, I've always liked that for a religious figure, but not all religions have books as a central part of the faith.
So yeah, Shepherd would really work as he'd be the shepherd of the whole flock (all religions).
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11-12-2008, 04:25 PM | #208 |
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I like the idea of that projsect as well
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11-12-2008, 04:34 PM | #209 |
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for real, i like the idea, and i love all the background Oliver has added to this thread. (even though it is a bit off topic) but this would never fly as a marketable toy product. and if it did what would be the Cobra equivalent? some satanic chaplain? btw that navy story is intriguing.
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11-12-2008, 04:36 PM | #210 |
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Thanks once again Oliver I knew you provide great information on this topic
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