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06-15-2016, 07:10 AM | #20951 |
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He could be a member of the 82nd's Long Range Surveillance Detachment.
I've always thought of him as a former member of the 101st and being Air Assault qualified, since the card art had him coming down a rope. I'd also think he'd spend more time around helicopters in the 101st. Yeah I always thought he would be better suited with the 101st versus the 82nd but I was trying to justify his "Airborne" codename. I know why he was named that from a toy perspective but was going for my Joe-verse perspective. I am assuming the 101st also has a LRSD? Quote:
As far as 82nd ABN MFF qualified troops go, I think Parachute Riggers are MFF qualified after becoming NCO's. I'll have to look it up but at least in the Commonwealth, parachute riggers are Static Line qualified and after achieving the rank of CPL have to be MFF qualified as well. Riggers are supposed to be able to accompany any and all supply drops at any time so I would imagine it'd be somewhat similar in the US.
Edit - Okay, did some checking. In principle, anyone can nominate for MFF training as long as it is approved and endorsed by one's chain of command. In practice, there is zero chance of any training unless one is a member of an SF / SMU unit, certain elements of the Ranger Regiment and Parachute Riggers attached to said units https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/w...to-halo-school Special Forces Ranger Reconnaissance Detachment of the 75th Regiment LRSD Parachute Riggers Delta Force Hence any Joe that is MFF-qaulifed (Ripcord, Sky Patrol, Freefall to name a few) I try to justify how they went to that training in the first place. |
06-15-2016, 09:47 AM | #20952 |
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Yeah I always thought he would be better suited with the 101st versus the 82nd but I was trying to justify his "Airborne" codename. I know why he was named that from a toy perspective but was going for my Joe-verse perspective. I am assuming the 101st also has a LRSD?
That's how I justified Crazy Legs becoming MFF-qualified, by him starting out as a 92R Parachute Rigger and getting his qualifications there (before he moved on to Infantry). Sounds like MFF School would be open to the following: Special Forces Ranger Reconnaissance Detachment of the 75th Regiment LRSD Parachute Riggers Delta Force Hence any Joe that is MFF-qaulifed (Ripcord, Sky Patrol, Freefall to name a few) I try to justify how they went to that training in the first place. |
06-15-2016, 11:16 AM | #20953 |
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Airborne could be former 82nd Airborne who then got assigned to any LRS troop in the new battlefield surveillance brigades. I never considered him MFF, though, just static line qualified.
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06-15-2016, 01:43 PM | #20954 |
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Yeah I never looked to Airborne as a MFF guy either. I mean he probably should be when you lump him together with an expanded Sky Patrol team that includes all the Airborne Infantryman (Is that a thing anymore?), but his few appearances seem more Air Assault. Except later when he seemed to fill the role as loadmaster.
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06-15-2016, 07:26 PM | #20955 |
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Don't forget civilian qualifications that may predate a character's formal military training. Ripcord was a member of the Civilian Air Patrol and was paying for flying lessons before discovering Sky diving, Airborne as well. Airborne's MFF skills could have been entirely civilian in nature until he joined the Joes having been Air Cav (101st ABN) his entire career prior to his Joe assignment.
My question would be if someone did become certified in skydiving as a civilian how does that translate to military? Does that person still have to attend basic Airborne School (static line) and then later MFF school? Quote:
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Yeah I never looked to Airborne as a MFF guy either. I mean he probably should be when you lump him together with an expanded Sky Patrol team that includes all the Airborne Infantryman (Is that a thing anymore?), but his few appearances seem more Air Assault. Except later when he seemed to fill the role as loadmaster.
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06-15-2016, 08:11 PM | #20956 |
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I think he has to go on the Airborne team. Look at his last figure. I think when he was brought onto the Joes he was meant to be the expert on all things Airborne related. Glider pilot, parachute rigger, Jumpmaster, loadmaster. I see him coming from a Pathfinder unit, which I think the 82nd and 101st both have.
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06-16-2016, 06:07 AM | #20957 |
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I think he has to go on the Airborne team. Look at his last figure. I think when he was brought onto the Joes he was meant to be the expert on all things Airborne related. Glider pilot, parachute rigger, Jumpmaster, loadmaster. I see him coming from a Pathfinder unit, which I think the 82nd and 101st both have.
I also want to talk about Snow Job. In my Joe-verse I don't have "arctic", "desert" and "jungle" teams as I am not aware of any US military unit that has such teams (just individuals that have been trained for such environments). However that is my question, are there any such units specifically trained for those types of environments? I am trying to flesh out his background some. I have him as an 11B who went to Sniper School, Northern Warfare Training Center and the Army Mountain Warfare School. If I go with Troops designated for a specific insertion types I will place him on my Mountain Troop. I always thought Joes designated for specific environments were very limited. Realistically they are not going to spend their entire time hanging out in arctic/desert/jungle environments. |
06-16-2016, 06:33 AM | #20958 |
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I don't think it was ever mentioned on any filecard that he was anything other than air assualt. Mostly from the comics is where I get those impressions of Loadmaster, rigger, Jumpmaster.
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06-16-2016, 08:15 AM | #20959 |
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I assume that ALL Joes are both airborne and free fall qualified (in the comics they were all doing free fall jumps . . . I seem to recall in the cartoon they were all ejecting from planes, but I don't think that counts!) - some are just more practiced at it than others, not only doing jumpmaster & rigger tasks but also pushing the boundaries of HALO/HAHO tests and trialing things like jet packs, hang gliders, squirrel suits and ultralights.
Airborne isn't one of those guys. I always saw (and used) him as either a helicopter gunner or a crew chief, with the secondary role of infantry. Maybe he came to Joe via the 101st. Or maybe it was via 160th SOAR (as an aside, I saw Wild Bill as coming from 6th Special Operations Squadron - 6th SOS performs unique mission worldwide > Air Force Special Operations Command > Article Display). On Snow Job, I never saw him doing conventional army time. I saw him as a special recruitment job, brought straight into Joe and trained by Joe (I've made a similar argument elsewhere: having an infantry background prior to joining a special unit is irrelevant as the unit will train you. Most Rangers haven't served in another unit before joining 75th - that's their first unit. And SEALs don't do any infantry training before selection). He's a cold weather specialist, but he can be used anywhere. With his biathlon background I usually slid him in to a sniper role. As a figure he suffers the same problem as the SEALs in that he's dressed for one environment. But he can be employed anywhere - just like the SAS could employ Mountain Troop guys in the African jungle or SEALs could be employed in landlocked Afghanistan. |
06-16-2016, 08:29 AM | #20960 |
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It could be that he was an overly enthusiastic gung-ho type in jump school and excelled at it. Some guys in Vietnam who had gone to jump school but ended up in leg units were nicknamed Airborne.
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