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05-10-2016, 10:57 PM | #20831 |
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I like where this is going. I mean it would be easy enough to make Grunt a Ranger. Keeping his "Regular Joe" persona true to his original character is a worthy exercise.
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05-11-2016, 07:27 AM | #20832 |
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Nice that maked a lot of sense. I would swap Rock'n'Roll and Short-fuze but that's just me. The beard just screams Green Beret more than almost any Joe. Plus Rangers use mortars and have fire teams the Green Berets do not.
Grunt would need something else to overcompensate for his lack of spec Ops background. Like he won every meritorious award through boot camp and rated high in every single aptitude test so they didn't know where to stick him because he was good at everything. Every drill Sgt and instructor who had him put him at the top of their list of outstanding recruit. Marksmanship, pistol, jump, Demolitions training, vehicle maintenance, artillery coordinator, small arms maintenance. Every Special Ops unit wanted him the Joes just got him first. Everyone wanted him as a Ranger or Green Beret, or Cavalry Scout Pathfinder, but Hawk wanted him for him. A jack of all trades who is good at everything he does, and never quits. Extremely loyal and is not into titles. I imagine after Grunt left went to MIT or Georgia Tech? as an electrical engineer and then came back his role would change. He may have gone to become an officer? I could see him staying enlisted as well, but why get that degree and not put it to use. I would say the Joes Armourer, small arms designer as well as a Squad leader. He's a Joe and he doesn't need to be anything else and I bet that is exactly what Hawk wanted. With Short-Fuze I was going with what Tyroc had constructed, he enlists as a Combat Engineer (Infantry Engineer on his filecard) and later moves to Special Forces as a Weapons Sergeant (who would have experience with mortars). I feel like a move from Combat Engineer to Indirect-fire Infantryman would not be feasible. I would imagine the training as an Engineer would be more in depth and intense than as an 11C (Indirect-fire Infantryman). I am not sure that the Army would want someone to go to reclassify to a lesser-trained skill (not knocking those who handle mortars). But who knows. I like your take on Grunt, that one of the other Joes might have known him, saw his potential, and recommended him for the Joe team. Quote:
^ Well the thing about hand-picking is that they typically come from a small community. Blue Light all came from 5th Group. 6 came from the relatively small SEAL community. Joe seems to come from all over . . . though if you look at the time period it's plausible that they came from MACV-SOG (BL after all had a number of Son Tay raiders, and 6 initially consisted of 'Nam vets, so the timeline isn't that big a stretch . . . it's a shorter timeline than starting a new unit today with guys who rode horses in Afghanistan in '02). Or maybe some of Stalker's first picks were a little too old to join a new unit but had become instructors and slipped some names to Stalker and Hawk. Maybe Grunt was on the same Basic course as Rock n Roll. When Stalker picked Rock, Rock turned to him and said "Hey - I know this guy. He got [pick a light infantry division] instead of Ranger, but man was he hot . . . and frosty - both at the same time!" Stalker pulled his jacket, liked what he saw, and in he came. Or maybe he was out on the same XAFV-project that is where, presumably, Steeler caught someone's eye.
Anyway, why the need to do Ranger training? The guy is highly motivated, cool under pressure, and he can fix weapons and call for artillery - those are characteristics and skills in high demand in any unit. I only mention Ranger School because according to his original dossier it mentions in a peer review that he did not attend it. A later filecard states he is an "Infantry Squad Leader" so I figure someone in an elite unit leading a squad would have gone to Ranger School. If the squad had members in it that are formally from SF or the 75th than realistically they may have a bad taste in their mouth from a regular "grunt" leading them into battle. One of my six-man assault teams has Grunt leading Rock'n'Roll, Clutch, (both former 75th), Short-Fuze, Snake-Eyes, and Zap (all former SF) so I was trying to justify him leading such a unit. Of course I may also just put R'n'R as the team leader as well, although I wouldn't think a team leader would be the man designated as the automatic rifleman though. |
05-11-2016, 08:39 AM | #20833 |
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I read somewhere about the Recondo School in Vietnam that it was run by SF guys who had gone to Ranger School, implying that not even the SF guys sent everyone to Ranger. As for having a bad taste, that might be the case if a group of strangers were thrown together, but assuming Grunt has a strong personality, small teams tend to recognize talent. What you can do is more important than what certificates you can hang on your wall.
As for Rock, I agree that it's unlikely that the team leader would carry the machinegun. |
05-12-2016, 09:47 PM | #20834 |
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Does anyone here know who General Curtis is? I'm compiling a list of all the high-ranking general officers in GI Joe, including all media, and there was a thread awhile back that listed him among others. His was the only name I couldn't verify though. Anyone heard of him?
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05-12-2016, 10:22 PM | #20835 |
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Does anyone here know who General Curtis is? I'm compiling a list of all the high-ranking general officers in GI Joe, including all media, and there was a thread awhile back that listed him among others. His was the only name I couldn't verify though. Anyone heard of him?
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Here are the other High Ranking Officials in the Joe Universe that I can recal. Presumably, there are more as it has been 10 years since I read the comic run. Do I have this right?
Please correct if I am wrong and if there are more? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- G.I. Joe: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. GENERAL COLTON 2. GENERAL HOLLINGSWORTH 3. GENERAL FLAGG 4. GENERAL FLAGG, III 5. GENERAL ABERNATHY “HAWK” 6. ADMIRAL KEEL HAUL 7. GENERAL REY 8. DUKE (Field Commander) 9. COLONEL SHARPE (Sunbow Cartoon) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Jugglers: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. ADMIRAL DYSON 2. GENERAL ABERNATHY “HAWK” (DDP) 3. GENERAL AUSTIN 4. GENERAL CROWTHER 5. GENERAL CURTIS 6. GENERAL GIBBS (Chairman of the Jugglers) 7. GENERAL HARRING 8. GENERAL MALTHUS 9. GENERAL RYAN 10. GENERAL WINTERS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oktober Guard: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. GENERAL VASKOVIA 2. GENERAL IRON BEAR/GENERAL MAYHEM 3. COLONEL BREKHOV (The original commander of the Oktober Guard) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cobra/M.A.R.S./Dreadnoks/Cobra-La/The Coil/I.R.O.N. ARMY: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cobra/The Coil/I.R.O.N. ARMY: 1. COBRA COMMANDER (He is the Supreme commander of the Cobra Forces.) 2. SERPENTOR (Supreme Leader of The Coil) 3. DESTRO (Supreme Leader of M.A.R.S./Iron Grenadiers) 4. GENERAL MAYHEM (General of M.A.R.S./Iron Grenadiers) 5. ZARTAN (Leader of the Dreadnoks) 6. TOMAX & XAMOT (Crimson Guard Commanders) 7. GOLOBULUS (The genocidal ruler of Cobra-La) 8. IRON KLAW (The leader of the military wing of SKAR in G.I. Joe Extreme cannon.) 9. GENERAL BLITZ (Supreme Commander of the I.R.O.N. Army in Sgt. Savage cannon.) 10. MAN OF EVIL (Leader of the Enemy Forces in Adventure Team cannon.) JMM's G.I. Joe Comics Home Page - Jugglers, The GI 48, 77, 78, 103-108; GIv2 #1
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05-12-2016, 11:47 PM | #20836 |
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Yeah that's the thread I saw. I've also been going through that site and others to verify the various officers. I found mention of all of them and what issues or episodes they appeared in except Curtis. I believe Harring is a misspelling and is supposed to be General Mars Herring, a juggler in DDP #39. But I just can't find a source for Curtis. Do you know for certain if he's in one of the issues you cite below?
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05-13-2016, 12:17 AM | #20837 |
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I haven't verified it yet.
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05-13-2016, 05:55 AM | #20838 |
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I didn't realize Dyson and Ryan were Jugglers.
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05-13-2016, 08:42 AM | #20839 |
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Yeah that's the thread I saw. I've also been going through that site and others to verify the various officers. I found mention of all of them and what issues or episodes they appeared in except Curtis. I believe Harring is a misspelling and is supposed to be General Mars Herring, a juggler in DDP #39. But I just can't find a source for Curtis. Do you know for certain if he's in one of the issues you cite below?
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05-13-2016, 01:27 PM | #20840 |
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Thanks for the help, Blackrazor. I'll keep looking.
I think there was some debate about whether Ryan and Dyson were Jugglers or just advsiors. I haven't confirmed it yet. |
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