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04-12-2016, 05:59 PM | #20761 |
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If you're going to get hung up on women in combat roles then just make them foreign exchange personnel. Plenty of other nations have women in combat roles.
As for JTACs and FOOs, I'd assume that a small team like Joe would have a lot of pers qualified. The Big Army can afford to have dedicated people in those roles, but a small team would need to have guys who can each do several jobs, with the redundancy of a couple of team members being able to do each job. |
04-13-2016, 12:32 AM | #20762 |
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I'm not sure what the specific requirements are, but I know that the assistant team leader billet in the 75th Ranger Regimental Reconnaissance Company requires an infantryman (sergeant first class) who is a qualified JTAC, among other things (MFF parachutist, combat diver-qualified, etc.). The RRC recon specialists are about as elite as you can get in terms of SOF-capable light infantry. |
04-13-2016, 06:14 AM | #20763 |
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Women have been deploying alongside SOF units for years in the US armed forces. It's just that "on paper," they're in non-combat roles. Google the terms "Cultural Support Team" or "Cultural Support Specialist" to see what I mean. (Note that these are different from the earlier "Female Engagement Team" units. CSTs are purposefully designed to deploy with SOF.)
I'm not sure what the specific requirements are, but I know that the assistant team leader billet in the 75th Ranger Regimental Reconnaissance Company requires an infantryman (sergeant first class) who is a qualified JTAC, among other things (MFF parachutist, combat diver-qualified, etc.). The RRC recon specialists are about as elite as you can get in terms of SOF-capable light infantry. I will have to read up on the assistant team leader role for the RRC. I did some more reading on JTAC's and JFO's late yesterday and it seemed that the US Army does not actually have any soldiers trained as JTAC's (until you just mentioned the RRC ATL billet). My understanding is a JFO has to call in to a JTAC and then that person actually is the one who "clears hot" for ordnance to be deployed. Whereas a JTAC (whether attached to a SOF unit or not) can "clear hot" whether out in the field or back at a FOB. |
04-13-2016, 07:32 AM | #20764 |
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Speaking of the females Bombstrike is on her way.
First Women Preparing to Apply for Air Force Combat Positions | Military.com
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04-13-2016, 02:18 PM | #20765 |
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good luck to the pair of them, kick ass, ladies.
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04-13-2016, 03:41 PM | #20766 |
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I will have to read up on the assistant team leader role for the RRC. I did some more reading on JTAC's and JFO's late yesterday and it seemed that the US Army does not actually have any soldiers trained as JTAC's (until you just mentioned the RRC ATL billet). My understanding is a JFO has to call in to a JTAC and then that person actually is the one who "clears hot" for ordnance to be deployed. Whereas a JTAC (whether attached to a SOF unit or not) can "clear hot" whether out in the field or back at a FOB.
The question here isn't so much about training and qualification as it is about protocol. While SF ODAs and the 75th RR (and the SEAL platoons, for that matter) do have organic personnel qualified as JTACs (i.e., personnel who have completed either the JTACC or the SOTACC), there's no formal protocol in place for them to be used as the primary asset for clearing the call for fire when it comes to close air support. That's what the TACPs are for. The organic JTAC capability is really an in extremis capability, something to be used only when the JTAC-qualified TACPs are unavailable. Now, you might be asking, why add that extra link in the chain? Why not have the organic JTACs serve as the primary JTAC assets? Why get the Air Force TACPs involved at all? Well, one of the reasons is risk mitigation. Just think of all the friendly-fire and civilian casualty fiascoes that have resulted from misdirected close air support in the last 15 years or so during the GWOT. And one of the ways to mitigate (but not totally eliminate) the risk of friendly-fire/civilian casualties from CAS is to have dedicated personnel whose only job is to call, direct, and clear close air support requests. And these personnel have to be situated in such a way that they have better situational awareness as far as the need for close air support than the personnel who may (or may not) directly benefit from it. There's also the fact that the JTAC-qualified TACPs have a whole host of other supporting skills that the organic Army JTACs don't have, as far as working with aviation assets. |
04-13-2016, 04:02 PM | #20767 |
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One would assume all Joe Radio Operators are qualified as JTACs. Since there are so Few Airman (and Bombstrike) on the Joe team, this role has to be taken up by the Joes mostly Army cast of radio operators. Overall what the Joes really need defined is a TACP of airman to handle that task.
Airwave should have been an Air Combat Controller, but he's Army. I use V2 Sgt Stone with the Red Beret as a ACC called Airstrike. Recoil has that look too, Maybe as a ROMAD, but so does Dial-tone. Bombstrike is a JTAC. Even though it doesn't say she's Air Force, one has to assume she is based on Barrel-Rolls Air Force career. Sightline seems to work here as well as an Airman IMHO. Pick a Joe Pilot/Astronaut to be the Air Officer. I know some TACP are six member but I bet the Joes could do it with 4.
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04-19-2016, 06:58 PM | #20768 |
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This has probably been covered, but I keep thinking of the 12' "Hall of Fame" Flint who is touted as a "Green Beret". How realistic is it that Flint is a Green Beret and Duke is a Ranger, yet they went on missions together before joining G.I. Joe according to L. Hama. Is this consistent with Flint's file-card?
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04-19-2016, 07:09 PM | #20769 |
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Duke is a Green Beret. Considering the make up of an ODA team and how close-knit the Green Berets are, they could have easily crossed paths during their careers.
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04-19-2016, 10:00 PM | #20770 |
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What makes you think Duke is a Green Beret? Was it in his file-card? I thought he was an Airborne Ranger?
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