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04-08-2016, 02:43 PM | #20751 |
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Ha! Well it helps me justify my Special Weapons Force:
Battle Research Special Weapons Force: General Lawrence J. Flagg (O-8) Juggler/Handler (NOT DEAD!) General Rey (O-7) Roving Regional Commander Colonel Henry Jones Jr. (O-6) Deputy Roving Regional Commander (Materials Research) Colonel Mike Powers (O-6) (Vehicle Technology) Lt Colonel Jane Ann Martelle (O-5)(Computational/Information Sciences) Lt Colonel Boffin (O-5) (Weapons Research) Air Support: Wild Cat (O-4) (USMC)(extra Ace) Space Shot (O-3) Free Style (O-3) Assault Team: Steel Brigade Commander (O-4) "Ironhide" Gears (O-3) Mechanical Research Brainstorm (O-3) Sensors and Electron Devices Super Trooper (O-2) Matt Trakker (CW-5) Master Chief John (E-9) Dodger (E-7) Backstop (E-6) Blocker (E-6)(Delta-6) Steel Brigade "D" pilot (E-6) Steel Brigade "D" Driver (E-5) Knockdown (E-5) Blaster (E-5) Barricade (E-5) (Delta-6) Six-Gun (E-5) (Delta-6) Speed Metal (E-5) (Delta-6) Kiwi (E-4) (Delta-6)(AF) Dee-Jay (E-4) (Delta-6) Blast-Off (E-4) Robo-Joe (E-4) Steel Brigade Squad x8 STARK Industries Battle Robot Engineers Team: Psyche-Out (O-4) Psychological Research Carla Greer (O-3) Medical Research Sparks (O-3) Glenda (WO-2) SGM Richard "Brawn" Cecil (E-9) Mercer V2 Doubleblast (E-8) Hot-Seat (E-7) Mainframe (E-7) Armadillo (E-7) Grand-Slam (E-7) Blowtorch (E-6) Flash (E-6) Sight-Line (E-6) (Might move to Airborne team?) T.N.T. (E-6) Effects (E-6) Mirage (E-6) Ozone (E-6) Sci-Fi (E-5) Barbecue (E-5) Stretcher (E-5) Charbroil (E-5) Clean Sweep (E-5) Sgt. Ragan (E-5) (Ice Cream Soldier) Red Spot (E-4) Fast Draw (E-4) Inferno (E-4) Hi-Tech (E-4) Bombardier (E-4) Cannonball (E-4)
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04-10-2016, 02:48 AM | #20752 |
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In terms of easter eggs, when the Joe unit is conceived and planned, I've used the names of the Hasbro / Marvel people who actually created the Joes. There are a few customs of Ron Rudat, Larry Hama etc done for semi-official cons so I'll be using them, plus the fact that Larry himself appeared in ROC as a NATO General and Herb Trimpe routinely added 'MSgt Herb Trimpe' or something to various ARAH covers as a crew chief (which is funny, because I recall him actually being in the Air Force as a weather man).
As for the FBI and CIA, the FBI element will be the COPS characters and the CIA will be Larry Hama's SPOOKS characters. That's what I'm envisioning anyway. It'll be awhile to go. I've written the prequel and most of the first book which centers around the JOE unit having recently been stood up and a small team is sent on its first mission before it's even completed its first Capability Exercise (CAPEX) which is a no-no but because they're under the direct control of the President and the National Security Council, they can bypass the usual restrictions based on a Presidential Directive. There is precedent to this as well, during the early days of the GWOT numerous small sensitive organizations were created and run either thru the NSC (mostly SIGINT) or directly thru the Pentagon under the Defense Secretary. |
04-10-2016, 07:03 AM | #20753 |
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That's what I have done with the two Flaggs. And they don't even have the same file names.
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04-11-2016, 06:46 PM | #20754 |
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I want to talk about forward observers, FAC, JTAC's, etc. My limited understanding is forward observers mainly call down artillery fire while FAC's/JTAC's call on air support. I don't include Bombstirke in my Joe-verse (only because I follow real life military protocol and do not allow women in combat roles). With that being said who are your FAC's? My FO's are my artillery guys (which I followed Zuludelta's idea of making them fire support specialists) but FAC"s are desperately needed on a unit such as the Joes.
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04-11-2016, 09:25 PM | #20755 |
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In the SOF community, the line between forward observer and JTAC is increasingly blurred (and that's before you consider the fact that many "operators" are also JTACs, for example, in an SF ODA, at least four sergeants—the weapons sergeants and the communications sergeants—will be cross-qualified as JTACs and a SEAL platoon will have at least two or three guys qualified as JTACs). |
04-11-2016, 10:33 PM | #20756 |
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These are all the enlisted roles. I wonder if john shaft is referring to the Air Officer types, who are trained pilots. At least Vietnam era Forward Air Controllers were pilots. I am not sure how those guys are deployed though. I figure them to be Battalion assets for the Marines. It might be the same as your Slipstream reinvented Zulu as the Air Liason Officer. These guys wouldn't be deployed on the front lines, but with a unit like the Joes maybe they would.
Now with Air Combat Controllers, who still uses Forward Air Controllers? The Marines? Would these guys be trained as JTACs as well or do they leave that to the enlisted guys? I use Countdown as my JTAC trained Special Tactics Officer. Although I don't know if I want him leading Sky Patrol he outranks the rest so he essentially is the commander.
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04-12-2016, 02:20 AM | #20757 |
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The DoD is opening ALL military positions to women, so if your Joeverse is set Next Sunday, AD or some other Near Future time period, rather than right now or the '80s, you can cheerfully use Bombstrike as a JTAC, Lady Jaye and Scarlett as Rangers and Cover Girl as a tank driver. There are, already, women Rangers in the US Army.
Which is why when I recently added to my Black Sword verse Joes, I added Cover Girl as a Ranger vehicle driver for the team. I've also made Pathfinder my team's JTAC, since his filecard says forward observer, I figured him being a JTAC was more likely these days. In the combined universe, I invented a new FAC Joe called Steel Rain to use since that verse is based on the comics. |
04-12-2016, 06:21 AM | #20758 |
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In recent years, the 75th Ranger Regiment's more senior fire support specialists have been routinely cross-training as JTACs/SOTACs and JFOs, to give the battalions organic close air support coordination capabilities apart from that which they receive with the attached TACPs. It's the same thing with the Marine Raider Regiment—many of their senior fire support men are also cross-trained as JTACs and JFOs.
In the SOF community, the line between forward observer and JTAC is increasingly blurred (and that's before you consider the fact that many "operators" are also JTACs, for example, in an SF ODA, at least four sergeants—the weapons sergeants and the communications sergeants—will be cross-qualified as JTACs and a SEAL platoon will have at least two or three guys qualified as JTACs). Quote:
These are all the enlisted roles. I wonder if john shaft is referring to the Air Officer types, who are trained pilots. At least Vietnam era Forward Air Controllers were pilots. I am not sure how those guys are deployed though. I figure them to be Battalion assets for the Marines. It might be the same as your Slipstream reinvented Zulu as the Air Liason Officer. These guys wouldn't be deployed on the front lines, but with a unit like the Joes maybe they would.
Now with Air Combat Controllers, who still uses Forward Air Controllers? The Marines? Would these guys be trained as JTACs as well or do they leave that to the enlisted guys? I use Countdown as my JTAC trained Special Tactics Officer. Although I don't know if I want him leading Sky Patrol he outranks the rest so he essentially is the commander. Quote:
The DoD is opening ALL military positions to women, so if your Joeverse is set Next Sunday, AD or some other Near Future time period, rather than right now or the '80s, you can cheerfully use Bombstrike as a JTAC, Lady Jaye and Scarlett as Rangers and Cover Girl as a tank driver. There are, already, women Rangers in the US Army.
Which is why when I recently added to my Black Sword verse Joes, I added Cover Girl as a Ranger vehicle driver for the team. I've also made Pathfinder my team's JTAC, since his filecard says forward observer, I figured him being a JTAC was more likely these days. In the combined universe, I invented a new FAC Joe called Steel Rain to use since that verse is based on the comics. Good call on Pathfinder as a JTAC. I might do the same as well. General question, who in the US Army besides SF's and Fire Support Specialists can attend JTAC and JFO courses? Since Grunt is listed as an "Artillery Coordinator" would an Infantryman be allowed to attend such courses? |
04-12-2016, 02:05 PM | #20759 |
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I would imagine so. In the British Army, as far as I know, anyone who fancies trying out for it can become a JTAC. Sgt. Paul 'Bommer' Graeme who wrote 'Fire Strike 7/9' was a bog-standard infantryman before he did JTAC training, he even mentions at least twice being under fire in Afghanistan and reverting to type of getting rounds down at the Taliban instead of doing his job of getting on the radio for air support.
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04-12-2016, 03:30 PM | #20760 |
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I am not sure about the difference between "Air Officer," "Air Liaison Officer," "Forward Air Controller," and Air Force Special Tactics Officer who runs a TACP of Air Combat Controllers.
I can see a lot of the Joe Pilots being repurposed for these roles though. Especially for you guys who have removed organic air support from your Joe units. Payload Skystriker (SMS=Combat Tactician) Ace Ghostrider Space Shot Maverick Countdown Slipstream Dogfight Tomahawk Air Raid (If you consider him a different character)
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