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03-28-2016, 06:50 PM | #20671 |
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The SOCM course is basically the baseline component of the SOF medic's training. Depending on the unit/service, it can be taken as a standalone training component, or as the first component within a longer training pipeline.
Here's what I know, as far as the SOCM course's place within the larger Special Forces Medical Sergeant's training pipeline:
For comparison's sake, here's how the SOCM course figures in the Special Operations Civil Affairs Medical Sergeant training pipeline (SOCAMs are previously qualified healthcare specialists):
In the case of Navy corpsmen, a rated Hospital Corpsman takes the SOCM course prior to serving with Force Recon, thus earning the 8427 NEC (Fleet Marine Force Reconnaissance/Special Operations Corpsman). Later in his career, that same corpsman can take the Special Operations Independent Duty Corpsman (SOIDC) course to earn the 8403 NEC (Fleet Marine Force Reconnaissance/Special Operations Independent Duty Corpsman). The SOIDC training is in certain ways sort of the Navy equivalent of the post-SOCM follow-on training/MOS 18D-specific training for Special Forces Medical Sergeants (the SOIDC course runs for 24 weeks overall and includes classes in lab medicine, veterinary medicine, "guerrilla hospital" administration, clinical hours in ob-gyn, orthopedics, etc.). Here's how the SOCM course fits in the special operations independent duty corpsman pipeline:
SEAL medics can also take the SOIDC course anytime after they take the Special Forces Combat Diving Medical Technician course and the SOCM course (SEALs who take the SOCM are awarded NEC 5392, Naval Special Warfare Special Operations Combat Medic). I don't think they are awarded the 8403 NEC after they complete the SOIDC course, as I think that NEC is specific to the Hospital Corpsman rating, though I could be wrong about that. The Ranger medics have their own post-SOCM training, but from what I understand, it occurs at the Regiment or battalion level, and I don't have a lot of reliable public info about that. 160th SOAR medic post-SOCM training is called the Special Operations Aviation Medical Indoctrination Course, which emphasizes CASEVAC and in-flight resuscitation/trauma care over 51 hours of lectures and 29 hours of hands-on/clinical training (note that this is different from the standard Flight Medic Course and is taught in addition to the 160th SOAR medic's Combat Trauma Management training). Air Force Pararescue have their own special operations combat medicine course (they don't go to the SOCM course, although I suppose nothing is stopping a pararescueman from applying for a slot in a class if they want it), and from what I've read, they're trained with a greater emphasis on resuscitation/trauma care during in-extremis patient transfers and such. They're supposed to be the best in the "blood and guts" aspect of battlefield casualty care if you believe the peripheral chatter. There are other elite SOF medic units out there, too, but they don't get a lot of press because they're not as "sexy." There are the Special Operations Resuscitation Teams from the 528th SOSB(A), for example, and they have their own specialized post-SOCM training pipeline. What makes the SORTs unique is that they are actually led by a medical doctor who occasionally deploys/patrols with the SOCMs. The SORTs may also have nurses and other health professions as necessary. Put simply, the SORT is a forward-deployed Field Surgical Team staffed by SOCM-qualified healthcare specialists and airborne-qualified doctors and nurses. All SOF medics have to maintain their ATP (Advanced Tactical Practitioner) qualifications by taking regular refresher courses and additional classes throughout their medic careers, though, just like a civilian emergency health worker/paramedic. Great info! What is the difference between a Navy Special Operations Corpsman and a Special Operations Independent Duty Corpsman? Both seem like they serve alongside units such as Force Recon. To me Doc would be closer to being on a SORT, that is if one keeps him as a Medical Doctor and not portray him as an enlisted combat medic/coprsman. I am on the fence with making him the latter, especially since that is how Hama designed him originally. |
03-28-2016, 08:34 PM | #20672 |
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03-28-2016, 10:19 PM | #20673 |
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Well, Zulu Delta, when you put it like that, I understand why they say the SF medical course is the longest of the specialties. I know that when I was a civilian EMT, the courses broke down something like this: First Responder -50 hours, EMT-B-120 hours including ride along /ER time, EMT-I 180 hours, with 100 hours of class time and 80 hours of clinical time. I didn't make it to the paramedic level, but I think it was double or triple the time that an EMT-I had. Plus, as you mentioned, each license level had to have so many continuing education credits to re-license. I've also heard that while SF medics are the best all around medical specialists, the PJ's are the best trauma specialists. Food for thought anyway. And yeah, the Joes need more medics!
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03-28-2016, 11:11 PM | #20674 |
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Well, Zulu Delta, when you put it like that, I understand why they say the SF medical course is the longest of the specialties. I know that when I was a civilian EMT, the courses broke down something like this: First Responder -50 hours, EMT-B-120 hours including ride along /ER time, EMT-I 180 hours, with 100 hours of class time and 80 hours of clinical time. I didn't make it to the paramedic level, but I think it was double or triple the time that an EMT-I had. Plus, as you mentioned, each license level had to have so many continuing education credits to re-license. I've also heard that while SF medics are the best all around medical specialists, the PJ's are the best trauma specialists. Food for thought anyway. And yeah, the Joes need more medics!
That's the thing you have to consider with these medical SOF specialties. They are specialties, in the sense that they're are all about mission requirements. An SF Medical Sergeant might be "the best" in one context, while a Civil Affairs Medical Sergeant or an SOIDC might be "the best" in another context. They are all elite, of course, but that elite qualification is within their occupational specialty's parameters. Last edited by zuludelta; 03-28-2016 at 11:19 PM.. |
03-29-2016, 01:52 AM | #20675 |
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Yeah, Repeater looks like he falls into the category of figures who may have been originally designed to be a Marine but was written up as an Army guy in the filecard. Beyond the 8-point cover and the Navy & Marine Corps Parachutist Insignia, there's also the camo pattern: he's got the "T-block" camo that the USN/USMC were experimenting with back in the late 1980s (it was an early—and not very effective—precursor to today's "digital camo"). It's no secret that the Hasbro designers would sometimes be given access to experimental stuff for reference (Ron Rudat would be cleared to visit the Natick Army Labs once or twice a year for research when he was the chief designer for GI Joe back in the early and mid-1980s).
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03-29-2016, 02:18 AM | #20676 |
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Nice! Just don't forget, if you're aiming for realism, it's quite rare for there to be any SF sergeants in the pay grade of E-5 (sergeant). Most start out at E-6 or E-5(P) at the lowest. Oh, and it's a similar case with SF officers. Most start out as captains (O-3); because they have to qualify as lieutenants in a combat arms field (Infantry, Cavalry, etc.) before they can go into SF.
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03-29-2016, 10:38 AM | #20677 |
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Yeah, Repeater looks like he falls into the category of figures who may have been originally designed to be a Marine but was written up as an Army guy in the filecard. Beyond the 8-point cover and the Navy & Marine Corps Parachutist Insignia, there's also the camo pattern: he's got the "T-block" camo that the USN/USMC were experimenting with back in the late 1980s (it was an early—and not very effective—precursor to today's "digital camo"). It's no secret that the Hasbro designers would sometimes be given access to experimental stuff for reference (Ron Rudat would be cleared to visit the Natick Army Labs once or twice a year for research when he was the chief designer for GI Joe back in the early and mid-1980s).
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03-29-2016, 02:08 PM | #20678 |
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Huh. I just assumed that Repeater's hat was the regular Army ball-ca style hat they used to wear, perhaps riding a little high on his head.
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03-29-2016, 03:18 PM | #20679 |
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I can't say why I assumed he was a Marine. He just looked the part to me.
I mean I knew the Rangers wore soft covers too. I had read all those Ian Padden Fighting Elite books from my local library. I even had the one for US Rangers with a Ranger wearing a soft cover on the cover. But when I got my first 88 figure (Maybe Toxo-Viper?) I could only barely make out the image of Repeater. It screamed Marine to me. That Said I'm glad he's Ranger qualified.
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03-29-2016, 08:19 PM | #20680 |
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It's interesting that Recondo has what appears to be the Navy & Marine Corps Parachutist Insignia on his left chest in that concept sketch. There were probably more of these Navy/Marine design elements that never made it into the final products (Ron Rudat came from a Navy/Marine Corps family from what I recall).
EDIT: I just looked up pictures of the vintage Recondo figure from 1984 and it does look like the insignia made it into the production toy. Considering the degree to which we dissect these sort of things, I'm surprised it doesn't get brought up more often (or maybe it does and I just missed those times). EDIT 2: And of course, Duke is another one of Rudat's "secret Marines/SEALs." Dude has the Navy & Marine Corps Parachutist Insignia on his chest as well. EDIT 3: And while Repeater was released after Rudat had left Hasbro, the figure had the Navy & Marine Corps Parachutist Insignia pinned under the Ranger tab on his cap. Maybe he was a holdover design from the Rudat era. Duke's are a little harder to figure out, but are probably USMC. Maybe Honduran or Canadian. Perhaps he did an exchange with a UDT or SEAL team. On a different note, for all of Duke's supposed time with indigenous tribes in Vietnam, I notice he isn't wearing a Montagnard bracelet. Maybe he was to much of a Boy Scout for them too! I can't make out Repeater's wings. As an aside, isn't Flint wearing his wings (Army) on the wrong side? |
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