|03-27-2016, 07:45 AM||#20661|
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|03-27-2016, 03:55 PM||#20662|
Join Date: Oct 2008
It's interesting that Recondo has what appears to be the Navy & Marine Corps Parachutist Insignia on his left chest in that concept sketch. There were probably more of these Navy/Marine design elements that never made it into the final products (Ron Rudat came from a Navy/Marine Corps family from what I recall).
EDIT: I just looked up pictures of the vintage Recondo figure from 1984 and it does look like the insignia made it into the production toy. Considering the degree to which we dissect these sort of things, I'm surprised it doesn't get brought up more often (or maybe it does and I just missed those times).
EDIT 2: And of course, Duke is another one of Rudat's "secret Marines/SEALs." Dude has the Navy & Marine Corps Parachutist Insignia on his chest as well.
EDIT 3: And while Repeater was released after Rudat had left Hasbro, the figure had the Navy & Marine Corps Parachutist Insignia pinned under the Ranger tab on his cap. Maybe he was a holdover design from the Rudat era.
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|03-27-2016, 05:22 PM||#20663|
Join Date: Aug 2008
It could be also that some designers assumed the parachutist badges between branches were universal. If they saw one kind, perhaps they thought all were the same.
It also appears Sideshow corrected the badge and gave it the Army's curved wings.
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|03-27-2016, 06:02 PM||#20664|
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|03-27-2016, 06:48 PM||#20665|
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|03-27-2016, 08:52 PM||#20666|
Join Date: Oct 2008
It's also pretty funny how Rudat's penchant for mixing badges and insignia from different services ended up influencing how Hama wrote certain filecards. Hama explained away Mainframe having the Army combat infantryman badge and the USMC globe & anchor on his helmet and the 3rd Marine Division patch as his being a Vietnam War veteran who later reenlisted with the Marines (I think at the time, the conflict in Grenada had yet to be added to the list of qualifying operations for award of the Army's CIB).
And the fact that Crankcase has the SAS' "Pegasus patch" on his right sleeve is referenced in the filecard as Crankcase having cross-trained with the SAS as part of a NATO exchange program.
It's weird that he did that for those two characters but didn't for others, though. Maybe he wasn't paying as much attention to the sculpt/tampo details on the other figures.
|03-28-2016, 09:58 AM||#20667|
Join Date: Apr 2009
Sorry, just catching up with the thread over the last few weeks, can I go back to the medics for a second please?
I just want to get it straight in my head and please let me know if I'm wrong, barking up the wrong tree, etc.
In terms of SOF Medics in the US, there are;
Special Operations Combat Medic (SOCM) Phase II - which SF 18D Medics and USN SEALs attend (and MARSOC / Recon attached IDC / SARC can attend after their first deployment)
Special Operations Combat Medic (SOCM) Phase I - which all Ranger, SF, Civil Affairs, PSYOP, Support Battalion, 160th SOAR, SEAL,SWCC Boat and MARSOC / Force Recon Independent Duty Corpsman & SARCs attend and only the SF 18 Series, SEALs graduate and attend Phase II
And PJ's have their own course concentrating on Trauma Medicine (where SOCM Phase II offers basic dental, veterinary and sick call)
Does that sound right to you guys?
Last edited by Tyroc; 03-28-2016 at 10:00 AM..
|03-28-2016, 02:12 PM||#20668|
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Join Date: Jan 2013
I've expanded the roster of the GI Joe team for my Black Sword fanfic. I'm kicking around some new ideas for a sequel....
Hawk – Colonel – CO
Duke – Sergeant-Major – Green Beret – Senior NCO
Flint – Green Beret – Sergeant
Beach Head – Ranger – Sergeant
Stalker – Green Beret – Sergeant
Snake Eyes – Delta Force – Sergeant
Grunt – Ranger – Sergeant
Zap – Ranger – Anti-tank weapons – sergeant
Lowlight – Green Beret – Sniper – sergeant
Scarlett – CIA officer – Intelligence specialist
Mainframe – US Army – computer specialist
Breaker – Ranger radio operator – Specialist
Dial-Tone – Ranger radio operator – Specialist
Falcon – Green Beret – Lieutenant (XO)
Leatherneck – US Marine rifleman – Gunnery Sergeant
Gung-Ho – US Marine rifleman – Gunnery Sergeant
Wet-Suit – US Navy SEAL – Petty Officer
Torpedo – US Navy SEAL – Master Chief Petty Officer
Tracker – US Navy SEAL – Petty Officer
Shipwreck – SWCC Coxswain – Chief Petty Officer
Wild Bill – 160th SOAR helicopter pilot – Warrant Officer
Lift-Ticket – 160th SOAR helo pilot – Chief Warrant Officer
Clutch – Ranger vehicle driver – Sergeant
Crankcase – Ranger vehicle driver – Corporal
Spearhead – Ranger point-man – Sergeant
Hit&Run – Delta Force – sergeant
Recoil – Ranger – sergeant
Hollow-point – US Marine Scout-sniper – Sergeant
Airborne – Ranger – Sergeant
Doc – US Army medic – Captain
Lifeline – US Navy Corpsman – Petty Officer
Lady Jaye – Intelligence Support Activity – undercover operations
Footloose – Ranger – Sergeant
Rock’n’Roll – Ranger machine gunner – Corporal
Roadblock – Green Beret machine gunner – Sergeant
Short-Fuse – Ranger Mortars – Sergeant
Ripcord – Ranger – Staff Sergeant
Crazy Legs – Ranger – Sergeant
Freefall – Ranger – Sergeant
Ambush – Delta Force – Sergeant – Sniper
Chuckles – CIA
Depth-charge – Navy SEAL – Petty Officer
Major Altitude – USMC helo pilot – Major
Updraft – USMC helo pilot – Captain
Cloudburst – USN helo pilot – Ensign
Windmill – USN helo pilot – Lieutenant
Wet Down – Navy SEAL – Chief Petty Officer
Night Fox – Navy SEAL – Petty Officer
Cross Hair – Ranger sniper – Sergeant
Bazooka – Ranger anti-armour – Sergeant
Downtown – Ranger mortars – Corporal
Repeater – Ranger machine-gunner – Sergeant
Salvo – Ranger anti-armour – Sergeant
Cover Girl – Ranger Hummer driver – Sergeant
Cross Country – Ranger Hummer driver – Sergeant
Claymore – Green Beret captain – Captain
Side Track – Ranger – SFC
Air Raid – Sky Patrol medic – Ranger – SFC
Airwave – Sky Patrol communications – Ranger – Master Sgt
Altitude – Sky Patrol scout – Ranger – Sergeant
Drop Zone – Sky Patrol weapons specialist – Ranger – Master Sgt
Skydive – Sky Patrol leader – Ranger – Sgt. Major
Static Line – Sky Patrol demolitions – Ranger – SFC
Pathfinder – Ranger recon – Staff Sergeant
Mutt and Junkyard – Special Forces MWD and handler – Sgt
Spirit – Ranger recon – Sgt
Sneak-Peek – Ranger recon – Staff Sgt
Outback – Special Forces survival specialist – Sgt.
Muskrat – Special Forces recon – Sgt.
Stretcher – Ranger medic – Sgt.
Hi-Tech – Special Forces communications – Staff Sergeant
Sparks – Marine Raider Radio recon signaller – Corporal
Wreckage – Delta Force demolitions – Sgt.
Tripwire – Ranger EOD – Sgt.
Lightfoot – Ranger EOD – Sgt
Heavy Duty – Ranger machine-gunner - Sgt
Fast Draw – Ranger anti-armour – Sgt
|03-28-2016, 02:27 PM||#20669|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Here's what I know, as far as the SOCM course's place within the larger Special Forces Medical Sergeant's training pipeline:
For comparison's sake, here's how the SOCM course figures in the Special Operations Civil Affairs Medical Sergeant training pipeline (SOCAMs are previously qualified healthcare specialists):
In the case of Navy corpsmen, a rated Hospital Corpsman takes the SOCM course prior to serving with Force Recon, thus earning the 8427 NEC (Fleet Marine Force Reconnaissance/Special Operations Corpsman). Later in his career, that same corpsman can take the Special Operations Independent Duty Corpsman (SOIDC) course to earn the 8403 NEC (Fleet Marine Force Reconnaissance/Special Operations Independent Duty Corpsman). The SOIDC training is in certain ways sort of the Navy equivalent of the post-SOCM follow-on training/MOS 18D-specific training for Special Forces Medical Sergeants (the SOIDC course runs for 24 weeks overall and includes classes in lab medicine, veterinary medicine, "guerrilla hospital" administration, clinical hours in ob-gyn, orthopedics, etc.).
Here's how the SOCM course fits in the special operations independent duty corpsman pipeline:
SEAL medics can also take the SOIDC course anytime after they take the Special Forces Combat Diving Medical Technician course and the SOCM course (SEALs who take the SOCM are awarded NEC 5392, Naval Special Warfare Special Operations Combat Medic). I don't think they are awarded the 8403 NEC after they complete the SOIDC course, as I think that NEC is specific to the Hospital Corpsman rating, though I could be wrong about that.
The Ranger medics have their own post-SOCM training, but from what I understand, it occurs at the Regiment or battalion level, and I don't have a lot of reliable public info about that.
160th SOAR medic post-SOCM training is called the Special Operations Aviation Medical Indoctrination Course, which emphasizes CASEVAC and in-flight resuscitation/trauma care over 51 hours of lectures and 29 hours of hands-on/clinical training (note that this is different from the standard Flight Medic Course and is taught in addition to the 160th SOAR medic's Combat Trauma Management training).
Air Force Pararescue have their own special operations combat medicine course (they don't go to the SOCM course, although I suppose nothing is stopping a pararescueman from applying for a slot in a class if they want it), and from what I've read, they're trained with a greater emphasis on resuscitation/trauma care during in-extremis patient transfers and such. They're supposed to be the best in the "blood and guts" aspect of battlefield casualty care if you believe the peripheral chatter.
There are other elite SOF medic units out there, too, but they don't get a lot of press because they're not as "sexy." There are the Special Operations Resuscitation Teams from the 528th SOSB(A), for example, and they have their own specialized post-SOCM training pipeline. What makes the SORTs unique is that they are actually led by a medical doctor who occasionally deploys/patrols with the SOCMs. The SORTs may also have nurses and other health professions as necessary. Put simply, the SORT is a forward-deployed Field Surgical Team staffed by SOCM-qualified healthcare specialists and airborne-qualified doctors and nurses.
All SOF medics have to maintain their ATP (Advanced Tactical Practitioner) qualifications by taking regular refresher courses and additional classes throughout their medic careers, though, just like a civilian emergency health worker/paramedic.
Last edited by zuludelta; 03-28-2016 at 03:33 PM.. Reason: typos
|03-28-2016, 05:43 PM||#20670|
just a Marine
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: central PA
Regarding Duke, Recondo and others that are listed as Army yet have jump wings more like the Navy USMC wings, I always assumed those were foreign jump wings. Duke has them on his right breast which is where foreign awards are worn. Repeater's wing remind me of rigger wings worn by Army parachute riggers, why he would wear those is beyond me. I always wondered if he was meant to be a Marine because of his 8 point USN/USMC style cover. FWIW, Marines don't wear the Ranger tab so a non-reg cover with the ranger tab and jump wings is something I could see guys wearing.
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