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02-25-2016, 06:36 PM | #20451 |
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I've been wondering: does it make more sense to have Airborne in the turret seat of the Dragonfly (like Hama always shows in the comics) or would it be more appropriate to serve as part of the crew of the Tomahawk? His file-card says that his primary specialty is Airborne Infantry and his second specialty is Helicopter Gunship Gunner. It just seems to me that he should serve on the Tomahawk first, if both the Dragonfly and the Tomahawk were used in tandem.
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02-25-2016, 07:26 PM | #20452 |
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Gunner is not a real MOS. The Gunner on the Dragonfly would be co-pilot, and would have to be an officer.
He always seems more like a crew chief than an Airborne Ranger. The Tomahawk seems like the better fit.
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02-25-2016, 07:53 PM | #20453 |
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On that note, I've never understood why Hama never had the Dragonfly run with the Tomahawk in comics. He usually had the Tomahawk by itself (or with another Tomahawk), and it almost always got tore up by the enemy because it was on its own. I think from a tactical p.o.v. it just made more sense to have Wild Bill as back up running interference for the insertion team in the more agile chopper, than it did to have him sit next to Lift-Ticket every single time. |
02-25-2016, 08:54 PM | #20454 |
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Can't speak to how the skills transfer. I assume there are many similarities, but I know nothing about flying helicopters. I am not sure about learning the weapon systems.
I would assume he would be trained up on the Dragonfly and Tomahawk. As far as helicopters flying escorts. I would think that is standard operating procedure.
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02-26-2016, 03:26 AM | #20455 |
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It's certainly SOP in the British Army in real life. Ed Macy describes the HRF as being two Chinooks and two Apache escorts in Apache and Hellfire. The Helmand Reaction Force being the team that scrambled to evac casualties and KIA.
Flying different helicopters depends on the type, Ed describes in Hellfire going from the Gazelle to the Apache and because of the differences in capabilities and technology, it seems like a fair old learning curve. (the monocular sight being the biggy) I imagine learning to fly a Tomahawk would be easier than a Dragonfly. Going from something like a UH1 or UH60 to a Chinook or CH53 would probably be relatively simple. Going from a UH1 to an AH1 would be harder. The thing that always bugs the crap out of me is when you get Wild Bill or Lift Ticket flying their birds solo. That'd never happen IRL, in case the pilot got hit and then the helo's effectively useless. |
02-26-2016, 09:17 AM | #20456 |
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My take is when he re-enlisted as an 11B he went to serve with either the 82nd Airborne or 173rd Airborne Brigade. I am assuming (anyone know if this is correct?) that they also have LSRU units within these organizations? If so maybe he went on to serve as a LRS soldier and eventually became MFF-qualified. Maybe Airborne was the first Joe to join that was formerly part of an Airborne unit, hence his codename? Quote:
It's certainly SOP in the British Army in real life. Ed Macy describes the HRF as being two Chinooks and two Apache escorts in Apache and Hellfire. The Helmand Reaction Force being the team that scrambled to evac casualties and KIA.
Flying different helicopters depends on the type, Ed describes in Hellfire going from the Gazelle to the Apache and because of the differences in capabilities and technology, it seems like a fair old learning curve. (the monocular sight being the biggy) I imagine learning to fly a Tomahawk would be easier than a Dragonfly. Going from something like a UH1 or UH60 to a Chinook or CH53 would probably be relatively simple. Going from a UH1 to an AH1 would be harder. The thing that always bugs the crap out of me is when you get Wild Bill or Lift Ticket flying their birds solo. That'd never happen IRL, in case the pilot got hit and then the helo's effectively useless. |
02-26-2016, 03:07 PM | #20457 |
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well, that's where they missed a trick. Sell the toy helicopter with a pilot, THEN sell a co-pilot figure and two door-gunners seperately. Or sell a tank and driver and then a tank commander and a tank gunner seperately.
I mean, they did that with the BF2000 vehicles and drivers, but they could've done it with the Mauler and Tomahawk as well, not to mention a co-pilot for the Dragonfly, a RIO for the Skystriker or a turret gunner for the Rattler (or the HISS!) |
02-26-2016, 03:41 PM | #20458 |
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My Airborne is part of Sky Patrol. While I loved him as a co-pilot as a kid. To me he is an operator like most Joes. Although he should probably be just Air Assualt.
He got the Codename, because he was the first Airborne Joe. (I have Sky Patrol Airborne renamed as just Sgt. Six just so they can co-exist.) Although I have liked the name Archangel as well, as a play on his Medic status.
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02-26-2016, 07:31 PM | #20459 |
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...However I am having a hard time justifying his code-name of "Airborne". I think an elite team like the Joes would require all of it's personnel to at least be static-line airborne qualified, so why code-name Franklin Talltree "Airborne"? And if you are going to code-name him "Airborne" among a group of other soldiers who are already airborne-qualified then shouldn't he be a step ahead and also be MFF-qualified? Of course certain Joes who came before him would most likely be MFF-qualified (at least in my Joe-verse they are) such as Stalker and Snake-Eyes. So if he is MFF-qualified it seems he would either have to be former Special Forces, Ranger Reconnaissance Company, or a member of a LRSU. But if he was SF or RRC and MFF-qualified how would that make him unique enough to be code-named "Airborne"?...
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02-26-2016, 07:50 PM | #20460 |
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I always took the code-names with a grain of salt. I always suspected that each member of G.I. Joe came up with his own code-name, kind of like the men in "Full Metal Jacket" all had their own nick-names that they went with. That way, there was no real discrepancy when two guys shared the same name; they had always gone by that since enlisting.
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