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02-15-2016, 02:03 PM | #20401 |
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...e4bD2C845hmEkw I would guess that they may be using the two interchangeably at times. But I would break out the Forward Observers like Crazylegs with just that task, and making the Artillery Coordinators part of the Fire Support team or Fire Direction Center. Last edited by seaneley; 02-15-2016 at 02:21 PM.. |
02-15-2016, 04:05 PM | #20402 |
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It would make sense that they would move more senior Marines into support positions so they could make room for fresh recruits getting into Infantry. I always thought most of the Original 13 should have been Marines as most of them have "Infantry" listed in their military specialties. It would make more sense as all Marines go through the School of Infantry before going on to training for their particular MOS.
I always imagined Joes like Heavy Metal and Alpine going through Financial Management school first then re-enlisting into Armor/Infantry. That way their combat skills are sharper before they enlist into an elite organization like the Joes. Also, at the lower ranks, at least in the USMC, the elite stuff is open to anyone. A supply guy could go take the test for Recon and if they pass the physical fitness and medical testing, they are in. Also, the Army has different branches, the Marine Corps does not. Everyone is a Marine, you just have different jobs to do. In theory, infantry guys would have a leg up for Recon or other elite units, but not always. You get some "PT studs" in all fields, and the swimming requirement disqualifies a lot of guys. And, while everyone recognizes Armor, Arty, Infantry as combat arms, in today's world, there are no front lines so Motor T and supply guys run supply convoys through hostile territory so combat training that support guys often sort of blew off is now considered pretty important. |
02-15-2016, 06:28 PM | #20403 |
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Yeah, I just don't see Lightfoot crawling through the muck to get a good look at enemy positions in that bright yellow outifit. That's definitely Sneak Peek's job, who seems a little more prepared to hide (despite his red highlights). Would Lightfoot then be a "fire support coordinator" (FSCOORD)?
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02-15-2016, 06:55 PM | #20404 |
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Yeah, but whether intentional or not, the file-cards seem to indicate a difference between MOs of "Forward Observers" and "Artillery Coordinators"; hence my confusion. If they were the same thing, they would have the same name on all the file-cards... wouldn't they?
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02-15-2016, 07:51 PM | #20405 |
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02-16-2016, 07:31 AM | #20406 |
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Sure, and while the "system" kind of funnels guys from combat arms to support, I know a few guys that went support to combat arms but that was a case by case basis and usually took semi divine intervention (at least by Colonel or above). And, the sorts of guys that make the case to go from financial management to infantry are probably the sort of guys the Joe team is looking for.
Also, at the lower ranks, at least in the USMC, the elite stuff is open to anyone. A supply guy could go take the test for Recon and if they pass the physical fitness and medical testing, they are in. Also, the Army has different branches, the Marine Corps does not. Everyone is a Marine, you just have different jobs to do. In theory, infantry guys would have a leg up for Recon or other elite units, but not always. You get some "PT studs" in all fields, and the swimming requirement disqualifies a lot of guys. And, while everyone recognizes Armor, Arty, Infantry as combat arms, in today's world, there are no front lines so Motor T and supply guys run supply convoys through hostile territory so combat training that support guys often sort of blew off is now considered pretty important. |
02-16-2016, 09:25 AM | #20407 |
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In my opinion there should be no Joes below E-5. Really aside from a few support and Headquarters based Joes, I would not want a soldier without experience and maturity in the field. If you look at the links Tyroc left us, that break down the typical Special Forces Battalion, the ODA teams have 4 E-6s, then 5 E-7s. Some of the Comms guys at headquarters come in at E-4s and E-5s.
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02-16-2016, 09:31 AM | #20408 |
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One could make the case for Grand Slam, Thunder and Long Range (v1) being forward observers as well. Reading Long Range and Grand Slam's (later) filecards states that they can plot artillery trajectories. That seems more along the lines of a forward observer versus one of the crew members manning the artillery (except for maybe the person who sets the elevations and such). Since my Joe team does not employ artillery (except maybe for light mortars) these three Joes are former Fire Support Specialists. I figure a team like the Joes would have more of a use for that particular MOS than a Canon Crewmember.
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02-16-2016, 12:46 PM | #20409 |
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02-16-2016, 08:38 PM | #20410 |
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Since I already have a Delta/SAS thing going with my Joes I was going to make them Forward Observers in my Support Squadron. That way if one of the Sabre Squadrons needed an FO to accompany them for a particular mission then they have them available. I figured they could put their FO skills to use instead of being a standard Operator who kick doors down and such. |
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