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01-07-2016, 03:26 PM | #20321 |
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What happens if you wash out? You don't get to go home, so Food Services? Sanitation? Best available? In the Army you could probably still go INfantry if you wash out of the 18X program. Navy you would have to totally switch gears since you wouldn't have much small arms training unless you are an MP or something?
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01-07-2016, 08:06 PM | #20322 |
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Good thoughts on MOS's. I agree with you Tanksmasher that it would seem unlikely to go from a 13F to an 11B. Grunt is a unique case because of his codename. Originally I was going to make Grunt an 11B then have him move to an 18B SF Weapons Sergeant as this would fill his Primary Military Specialty of Infantry and his Secondary of Artillery Coordinator (since it was pointed out that Weapons Sergeants can have that kind of training). His Small Arms Armorer can be from when he was a gunsmith apprentice. However as Tyroc pointed out his codename of "Grunt" indicates he probably came from a standard Infantry Regiment and was never part of any SOF (otherwise why call him "Grunt"?).
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01-07-2016, 10:42 PM | #20323 |
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Feel like I'm interrupting the conversation a bit, but figured this was the best place to ask. What rank do you think the following should be? Meaning, with education (in and out) and their actual role.
Duke - I like him as a non-com but his role seems like a Lt. Col Flint - No idea why he isn't a Major Scarlet, Lady Jaye - seem like officers as well General Flagg II - seems like there is no way he could be a General and still be the son of the original. should he be Captain Flagg? Spirit - Isn't he a psychologist? Airborne - did he give up being a lawyer? What if he was a JAG? Anyway, I know this is a stupid sort of question, but I have been off work and have too much time on my hands. I read this thread a lot and your expert advice is appreciated. |
01-08-2016, 07:27 AM | #20324 |
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Yeah these leadership characters always bothered me as enlisted, particularly with all the authority they seem to have. I have promoted and demoted them in my Joeverse over the years. I think their place would make more sense if there was an actual executive officer under Hawk.
I won't deny that there are Senior NCOs in every Ops room or command center, whose opinions may mean even more than the commanding officer's. Both Flint and Scarlett were Lieutenants in Renegades. I think Scarlett was a Lieutenant in the IDW alternative universe. Duke became a Colonel. Hawk just handed him some wings and said its your team now. I use to have Duke as a Colonel at one point. I just pretended Hawk did all his officer candidate paperwork and didn't tell him until later. Lady Jaye with all her education could just as easily be an officer as well, but I prefer Scarlett to outrank her. The highest Lady Jaye makes it on the Filecards is E-7. Scarlett makes E-6, but I assume she is at least a Master Sergeant. In the end for me I kept Duke as a Sgt Major. Flint as a Chief Warrant Officer four. Every Special Forces team has Warrant Officers as their Deputy commanders. Although a CW4 would most likely be part of the ODB or ODC team doing planning or operations. CW-05 would make Flint a little too old. I made Scarlett a Captain, although that would end the relationship between Snake-Eyes, so it might make more sense for Lady Jaye to be an officer. I don't consider them in a relationship in my verse. Airborne could have been an officer for sure, but as a lawyer he would have no place on the team. There is no way Flagg III is the son of the former Flagg. They don't even have the same names. One is Lawrence and the other is James. I pretend they are brothers. James being the younger who got the fathers name. When Lawrence was killed James did everything in his power to make it to the Joes. He is about 5 years younger than his older brother Lawrence. The other one that really bothered me over the years was Skydive. Why was he the commander outranked by Altitude who was Sgt Major of the Army. I toyed with him being a Captain, but for now have settled on the two switching ranks. Sgt Major of course not Sgt Major of the army. Barrel-Roll is another who is E-4 but was a Lieutenant in the comics. Lieutenant for me. Part of Sky Patrol. And please feel free to jump in the conversation any time. We love rehashing old topics and getting new perspectives on characters we all love.
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01-08-2016, 11:12 AM | #20325 |
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What happens if you wash out? You don't get to go home, so Food Services? Sanitation? Best available? In the Army you could probably still go INfantry if you wash out of the 18X program. Navy you would have to totally switch gears since you wouldn't have much small arms training unless you are an MP or something?
In the past, you'd just go to a job in your source rating, if you washed out. Former SEAL source ratings Aerographer's Mate (AG) Aviation Ordinance (AO) Aviation Warfare Systems Operator (AW) Aviation Boatswain's Mate (AB) Boatswain's Mate (BM) Boiler Technician (BT) Cryptologic Technician (CT) Electrician's Mate (EM) Electronics Technician (ET) Engineman (EN) Gunner's Mate (GM) Hospital Corpsman (HM) Hull Maintenance Technician (HT) Intelligence Specialist (IS) Interior Communications Mate (IC) Machinery Repairman (MR) Machinist's Mate (MM) Mineman (MN) Operations Specialist (OS) Ocean Systems Technician (OT) Ocean Systems Technician Analyst (OTA) Ocean Systems Technician Maintainer (OTM) Photographer's Mate (PH) Personnelman (PN) Parachute Rigger (PR) Quartermaster (QM) Radioman (RM) Signalman (SM) Sonar Technician (STG) Torpedoman's Mate (TM) Yeoman (YN)
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01-08-2016, 12:34 PM | #20326 |
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Yeah I would assume you go back to the unit you came from if you wash out. But like CapBritain said you can enlist right into SEAL BUDS training. I'm not sure how that works out, but it must be similar to the 18X program.
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01-08-2016, 03:37 PM | #20327 |
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I use Flagg as a one-star executive officer for Hawk in my fanfic. He's freshly minted as a one-star, very young and only joins the Joes in 1995 after their reinstated, since I'm broadly following the comics.
Like you, Loose, I made Skydive a Sgt. Major and Altitude a Sgt. |
01-08-2016, 04:41 PM | #20328 |
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How do you have James Flagg III related to Lawrence Flagg?
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01-09-2016, 02:56 AM | #20329 |
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I stuck with son.
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01-09-2016, 10:48 AM | #20330 |
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Yeah, that whole SGM of the Army is irksome. If so, he wouldn't be in the Joes much less a combat unit. He'd be working for the Chief of Staff in the Pentagon.
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