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12-30-2015, 11:45 AM | #20301 |
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I would say Critical Skills Operator (0372) for Gung-Ho but that didn't exist prior to 2011.
So maybe: 0326 Reconnaissance Man, Parachute and Combatant Diver Qualified Tripwire 89D totally (He's a SF Engineer in IDW If you want to beef him up) Airborne will have some Repairer MOS. The Blackhawk is perfect. I don't know how Airborne rangers combines with Crew Chief though. Progression of crew chiefs | Article | The United States Army 11B doesn't seem sexy enough for Snow Job. What MOS do drill sgts have? Duke is a SF Weapons Sgt to SF Operations Sgt 18Z in my book. That makes him an expert on Small Arms. Ace/Wild Bill should be easy to figure out. Torpedo, and Cover-Girl? I think in regards to drill sergeants they have the same MOS as they enlisted into, but drill sergeant itself is an additional skill identifier? Not sure what else Snow Job could be MOS-wise besides an 11B. Maybe something in the 18 series? Cover Girl I would make a 91H Track Vehicle Repairer. Since I make my Joe-verse real world based I omit the part about her being a tank driver. I don't know much about Navy Ratings but it looks like blackrazor1 has the right idea. Wild Bill would have started as an 11B Infantryman then moved on to Warrant Officer school and then a 152H AH-64D Attack Pilot. I choose that over the 152G AH-1 Attack Pilot MOS only because the US Army uses Apaches more so than Cobra's. I figured in keeping with my modern take on them that would work out better. |
12-30-2015, 11:58 AM | #20302 |
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Here is some of the 84 lineup:
Roadblock: 11B Infantryman and 92G Food Service Specialist Ripcord: 11B Infantryman, 18C SF Engineer, and/or 12B Combat Engineer. He would either need to be an 18C or an 11B who served with a Ranger Reconnaissance Company in order to be a HALO trained. Not sure if a 12B can be MFF-qualified or not. Threw it out there because of his Demolitions specialty (which we all know is ambiguous and can mean anything). Blowtorch: 11B Infantryman, 91F Small Arms/Towed Artillery Repairer and/or 12B Combat Engineer Recondo: 11B Infantryman, 18B SF Weapons, and/or 18F SF Intelligence Sergeant. Him being Special Forces only makes sense since he has "Intelligence" listed on his filecard and the fact he is depicted working with indigenous groups. Spirit: 11B Infantryman Thunder: 42S Special Band Member, 13B Cannon Crewmember and/or 13F Fire Support Specialist Mutt: 31B Military Police and/or 11B Infantryman. Maybe started as an 11B re-enlisted as a 31B then got the additional skill identifier as a MWD handler? |
12-30-2015, 01:23 PM | #20303 |
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Hey guys, hope you're all enjoying the holiday season. I've started working on my fanfic which I'm now thinking of actually publishing thru Amazon's Kindle Worlds. So I've put my revamping of the Joe's careers a bit on the back burner.
Anyway, in regards to Duke and Grunt's MOS of Small Arms Repairer, I remember reading somewhere that in Grunt's original dossier by Hama, he planned on having him be an apprentice gunsmith as a civilian prior to enlistment. I'll try to find a link. Edit - Here's the link G.I. JOE GRUNT DOSSIER (1981) - THE VERY 1ST DOSSIER LARRY HAMA HAND-TYPED FOR GI JOE A REAL AMERICAN HERO, in BenĂ‚Â*Smith's HAMA, LARRY Comic Art Gallery Room - 343570 As for Duke, I'm making him a graduate of the Naval Special Warfare Center - Crane's Weapons Maintenance Course. It's a joint course available to SOF from all branches. I think it satisfies the spirit of his filecard MOS whilst remaining contemporary and realistic. NSWC Crane Teaches Weapons Maintenance to Joint Forces I just can't imagine a guy like Duke (or Beach Head) as combat support or service support at any point of their careers. As for Flash, I remember creating the perfect realistic backstory for him whilst I was in hospital last month but now I can't remember what the hell it was. I vaguely remember making him a 91G attached to USSOCOM (SF Groups don't have any 91G billets even at the group level from a Table of Organization & Equipment I found, circa 2010/2012). He then becomes a SF Communicator whilst maintaining an active interest in weapons repair and electronics repair in the field. As an aside, has anyone noticed that the Club seems to make all the SF guys weapons sergeants?. C'mon, if you're gonna be SF, it doesn't matter what specific specialty you're gonna have, they'll all be cross trained to some degree and there's a high chance of most of them being gun enthusiasts to begin with (which is how I see Zap; a SF engineer who's fascinated with anti-armor weapons) Also, I don't know if I've mentioned this, but I found making most of the OG13 SF makes it easier for me to write about it terms of career progression. I found a manual on US Army Career Paths http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/p600_25.pdf Last edited by Tyroc; 12-30-2015 at 01:25 PM.. |
12-30-2015, 03:02 PM | #20304 |
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Great find, Tyroc. I hadn't seen that pamphlet. Any links for the SF TOE?
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12-30-2015, 03:15 PM | #20305 |
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When I went for my updated-realistic take on GI Joe in Black Sword, I mixed up where the original 13 were from more on the basis of their jobs. Snake Eyes and Stalker were SF, Scarlett was CIA liason, Hawk was a desk-driver, don't think I thuoght about it more than that. Rock'n'Roll, Zap, Grunt, Breaker, Clutch and Short Fuse were Rangers. Although, granted, in hindsight I should've made Breaker SF Communicator. Grand Slam, Flash and Steeler I dropped. The first two since I wasn't using directed energy weapons and Steeler since I wasn't using anything heavier than a Humvee.
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12-30-2015, 05:52 PM | #20306 |
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Hey guys, hope you're all enjoying the holiday season. I've started working on my fanfic which I'm now thinking of actually publishing thru Amazon's Kindle Worlds. So I've put my revamping of the Joe's careers a bit on the back burner.
Anyway, in regards to Duke and Grunt's MOS of Small Arms Repairer, I remember reading somewhere that in Grunt's original dossier by Hama, he planned on having him be an apprentice gunsmith as a civilian prior to enlistment. I'll try to find a link. Edit - Here's the link G.I. JOE GRUNT DOSSIER (1981) - THE VERY 1ST DOSSIER LARRY HAMA HAND-TYPED FOR GI JOE A REAL AMERICAN HERO, in BenÂ*Smith's HAMA, LARRY Comic Art Gallery Room - 343570 As for Duke, I'm making him a graduate of the Naval Special Warfare Center - Crane's Weapons Maintenance Course. It's a joint course available to SOF from all branches. I think it satisfies the spirit of his filecard MOS whilst remaining contemporary and realistic. NSWC Crane Teaches Weapons Maintenance to Joint Forces I just can't imagine a guy like Duke (or Beach Head) as combat support or service support at any point of their careers. As for Flash, I remember creating the perfect realistic backstory for him whilst I was in hospital last month but now I can't remember what the hell it was. I vaguely remember making him a 91G attached to USSOCOM (SF Groups don't have any 91G billets even at the group level from a Table of Organization & Equipment I found, circa 2010/2012). He then becomes a SF Communicator whilst maintaining an active interest in weapons repair and electronics repair in the field. As an aside, has anyone noticed that the Club seems to make all the SF guys weapons sergeants?. C'mon, if you're gonna be SF, it doesn't matter what specific specialty you're gonna have, they'll all be cross trained to some degree and there's a high chance of most of them being gun enthusiasts to begin with (which is how I see Zap; a SF engineer who's fascinated with anti-armor weapons) Also, I don't know if I've mentioned this, but I found making most of the OG13 SF makes it easier for me to write about it terms of career progression. I found a manual on US Army Career Paths http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/p600_25.pdf Welcome back Tyroc! I am sorry to hear you were in the hospital. Hopefully everything is going okay. Great find on the links you provided! I have already started looking over the last one (mainly looking at 11 CMF and 18 CMF right now). I agree on the overuse of SF Weapons Sergeants. I am guessing they do that because some filecards do not specify "RTO", "Communications", or "Medic" so they assign a Joe as a SF Weapons Sergeant. I still don't agree with making Beachhead a former SF soldier. I think he should have been with the 75th Rangers until he was assigned to the Joe team. Now Stalker on the other hand... Quote:
When I went for my updated-realistic take on GI Joe in Black Sword, I mixed up where the original 13 were from more on the basis of their jobs. Snake Eyes and Stalker were SF, Scarlett was CIA liason, Hawk was a desk-driver, don't think I thuoght about it more than that. Rock'n'Roll, Zap, Grunt, Breaker, Clutch and Short Fuse were Rangers. Although, granted, in hindsight I should've made Breaker SF Communicator. Grand Slam, Flash and Steeler I dropped. The first two since I wasn't using directed energy weapons and Steeler since I wasn't using anything heavier than a Humvee.
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12-31-2015, 10:25 AM | #20307 |
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Hey guys, hope you're all enjoying the holiday season. I've started working on my fanfic which I'm now thinking of actually publishing thru Amazon's Kindle Worlds. So I've put my revamping of the Joe's careers a bit on the back burner.
Anyway, in regards to Duke and Grunt's MOS of Small Arms Repairer, I remember reading somewhere that in Grunt's original dossier by Hama, he planned on having him be an apprentice gunsmith as a civilian prior to enlistment. I'll try to find a link. Edit - Here's the link G.I. JOE GRUNT DOSSIER (1981) - THE VERY 1ST DOSSIER LARRY HAMA HAND-TYPED FOR GI JOE A REAL AMERICAN HERO, in BenÂ*Smith's HAMA, LARRY Comic Art Gallery Room - 343570 As for Duke, I'm making him a graduate of the Naval Special Warfare Center - Crane's Weapons Maintenance Course. It's a joint course available to SOF from all branches. I think it satisfies the spirit of his filecard MOS whilst remaining contemporary and realistic. NSWC Crane Teaches Weapons Maintenance to Joint Forces I just can't imagine a guy like Duke (or Beach Head) as combat support or service support at any point of their careers. As for Flash, I remember creating the perfect realistic backstory for him whilst I was in hospital last month but now I can't remember what the hell it was. I vaguely remember making him a 91G attached to USSOCOM (SF Groups don't have any 91G billets even at the group level from a Table of Organization & Equipment I found, circa 2010/2012). He then becomes a SF Communicator whilst maintaining an active interest in weapons repair and electronics repair in the field. As an aside, has anyone noticed that the Club seems to make all the SF guys weapons sergeants?. C'mon, if you're gonna be SF, it doesn't matter what specific specialty you're gonna have, they'll all be cross trained to some degree and there's a high chance of most of them being gun enthusiasts to begin with (which is how I see Zap; a SF engineer who's fascinated with anti-armor weapons) Also, I don't know if I've mentioned this, but I found making most of the OG13 SF makes it easier for me to write about it terms of career progression. I found a manual on US Army Career Paths http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/p600_25.pdf Quote:
Here is some of the 84 lineup:
Recondo: 11B Infantryman, 18B SF Weapons, and/or 18F SF Intelligence Sergeant. Him being Special Forces only makes sense since he has "Intelligence" listed on his filecard and the fact he is depicted working with indigenous groups. Spirit: 11B Infantryman In Recondo's case I think it would have to be "and," not "or," as I believe (according to this: Special Forces Assistant Ops & Intelligence Sgt. (MOS 18F)) that you can only become an intelligence sergeant after doing one of the "entry" SF specialties. And given, yet again, the talk of weapons sergeants, here's a thought: make him a comms sergeant. In Marvel's ARAH he was sent into Sierra Gordo alone. He'd need a pretty good knowledge in rigging antennae to conduct long-range comms from mountainous jungle (a terrible comms environment) to the continental USA, and all the challenges of relocating and re-rigging to adapt for changing atmospheric and tactical situations. On a different note, Happy New Year to all of you! |
12-31-2015, 11:26 AM | #20308 |
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Speaking of Spirit, anyone reading the latest Joe Comics? They have Spirit as being adopted, by a white lady and another man. He's returning from the hospital after brain surgery with bloody scrubs, I honestly can't tell if he's Asian, Hispanic, or Native American. Not sure I like that take on Charlie's background Hama.
Being from Taos New Mexico, I would assume that means Taos Pueblo Indian, but I always assumed growing he was from a more fearsome Tribe Like Apache or Navajo, which of course are somewhat nearby Taos. Version 2 has him from Grand Canyon, Arizona which is probably more Navajo. And Version 3 has him Wearing "authentic Navajo Boots" although born in Taos. I would got SF Medic
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12-31-2015, 12:55 PM | #20309 |
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So Hama has him being adopted but still Native American or does he blur the facts of his ancestry?
I was in Taos a few years ago and I realized there is a big difference between Taos and the Taos Pueblo. If he's not from the pueblo, he could belong to any number of other tribes, and Navajo was a prevalent one in the area, so I assumed he was more likely Navajo, which was later mentioned in other file cards. |
12-31-2015, 01:26 PM | #20310 |
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So Hama has him being adopted but still Native American or does he blur the facts of his ancestry?
I was in Taos a few years ago and I realized there is a big difference between Taos and the Taos Pueblo. If he's not from the pueblo, he could belong to any number of other tribes, and Navajo was a prevalent one in the area, so I assumed he was more likely Navajo, which was later mentioned in other file cards. Airborne is Navajo, and Hama wrote that filecard the year before, born right on the Reservation. I wonder what Hama had in mind? Maybe he didn't like Airborne enough as the resident Native or did he have some more Indian buddys he was trying to include? A question only Hama could answer, and looks like he's changing his mind. Not sure what Altitude is supposed to be? Shoshone? He's a cool little map I found: http://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/spec...AN_US_2010.pdf
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