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12-18-2015, 11:34 AM | #20261 |
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Tollbooth had an Engineering Masters from MIT and was a SP-5.
Flash was an E-4 working on his engineering masters at night. Mainframe got an unspecified degree from MIT and was an E-5. Jinx also graduated from Bryn Mawr and was an E-5. Airborne, law degree, E-5. Dusty sounds like he had a partial something in desert ecology, E-4. Footloose had a partial degree in Phys-ed before dropping out, E-4. Alpine presumably finished his accounting degree before enlisting, E-4. The Joes had a lot of highly educated low-ranking troops. As for Scarlett and the SAS course, she may not have done selection. What would it teach her that she wouldn't have already done elsewhere. I assumed it meant she'd done one of their more advanced, esoteric courses. Maybe something along the lines of revolutionary warfare or hostage rescue or so on. Last edited by LowTech; 12-18-2015 at 12:21 PM.. |
12-18-2015, 12:57 PM | #20262 |
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Yeah I really don't know what the ratio is any more, but I bet more enlisted personnel are coming in after College than ever before. Not sure if that was always the case.
I think Hard-Drive, Kickstart, and Hi-Tech are a few other enlisted with advanced degrees.
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12-18-2015, 01:33 PM | #20263 |
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Plenty of people enlist with college degrees. That's not implausible at all but when they're acting as pilots but have enlisted ranks, that's when it gets hard to rationalize. Unless you have situation where a pilot, say, in the Air force, leaves one branch to join another and enlists so he can work special ops or something. It's not impossible but the person isn't going to do both.
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12-18-2015, 01:51 PM | #20264 |
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Of course, Space Shot's is even worse. He's an E-4 astronaut/pilot! Then again he's flown through the rings of Saturn so pretty much all pretense at realism was thrown out the window.
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12-18-2015, 02:32 PM | #20265 |
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Yeah That should be 0-4. Rings of saturn is another thing altogether.
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12-18-2015, 03:17 PM | #20266 |
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When I used Space Shot in my fan-fic, I treated him as an O-4 and a regular astronaut (allowing for GI Joe Starfighters and a Space Force space-station!) and ignored all that shite about freighters and Saturn etc.
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12-18-2015, 04:25 PM | #20267 |
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Plenty of people enlist with college degrees. That's not implausible at all but when they're acting as pilots but have enlisted ranks, that's when it gets hard to rationalize. Unless you have situation where a pilot, say, in the Air force, leaves one branch to join another and enlists so he can work special ops or something. It's not impossible but the person isn't going to do both.
As far as the college degree thing, I have met a lot of guys and girls with college degrees who enlisted. A bit of recruiting trivia a musician specialist told me a couple of years ago, competition for military enlisted bandsmen has gotten so fierce that most of the people who get in have masters degrees in music performance or a related field. When I was in high school, a really good high school player with potential could get in, but that changed over time with more people getting degrees and fewer paying gigs for bassoon players and such. For me, as a retired officer now, E-4 pay doesn't seem like the high life, but for a cornet player who wants to play for a living, enlisting as an E-2 (college degree in the USMC nets you a whopping one pay grade), E-3 after boot camp, E-4 and 5 roll around pretty quick and you will likely be an E-7 around 12 years of service, the money and benefits are as good as it gets. Right, so back to the spec ops. So I have met a lot of people with degrees who are not bandsmen but either were in the service, and got a degree at night school, were in, got out, got a degree and were bored and went back in. A lot of people will join just for the experience-guns, ranger school etc whatever floats your boat-even with a degree. Some, just want to do it for a few years, some have aspirations of being an officer but want enlisted experience first, some want to be an officer but either are not competitive for officer selection or don't want to wait for the somewhat lengthier process. I have a cousin, a BS in Engineering, joined the Navy as a nuke submariner figuring at some point he would become an officer, 20 years later he retired as a Master Chief. As far as flying, the stuff Scarlet has like flying top secret military aircraft is very far fetched, but enlisted spec ops or really secret squirrel types learning to fly isn't that out there. They wouldn't be actual "naval aviators" per se, but they might have been taught to fly. I say this only because I know a handful of civilian (FBI and NSA) counter terrorism and intel guys that were trained to fly and I could see an enlisted person who is working long term with those sort of groups being trained to fly. If you had a mixed group of civilian and military intel or spec ops people, the person going to flight school will probably be the one they can spare during that time frame and who has the aptitude and medical quals for it. I doubt they would get to wear pilot wings if they ever put on a dress uniform. |
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12-18-2015, 05:23 PM | #20269 |
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Hah!
The most recent data I found (2011) was Enlistment % of Army Recruits with college degree is now up to nearly 9%. Those with some college, maybe dropped out or what have you...17% Just five years ago it was more like 4.5%
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12-18-2015, 05:57 PM | #20270 |
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I don't disagree with any of the comments on education. Hardcorps' is too long to quote, but the point that specialist trades benefit from specialist education is a good one. But Tollboth in particular goes too far. I simply cannot imaging a system that would take a guy with a trade-specific advanced degree from a highly regarded institution, and then enlist him and have him drive heavy equipment. It defies reason. Flash, on the other hand, to me sums up the ideal - a smart guy working nights to upgrade his chops, and no doubt taking advantage of military-related subsidies. The Marvel storyline of Grunt leaving to use the GI Bill to get an education always appealed to me. I was disappointed they wrote him up as then struggling to find work.
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