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10-31-2015, 02:36 PM | #20181 |
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According to Larry Hama's original dossier notes, Grunt was an apprentice gunsmith before enlistment. My take on him is that he'll be the only OG13 Joe with no SOF background of any kind. The one guy no one thought would get through Operator training, let alone initial selection and assessment. A real grunt.
And there's always this course he could do as an Infantryman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_arms_master_gunner I'm having a similar problem with Flash, thing is I don't see him reclassifying from a specialist CBRN position to a normal Infantry role. I have a take on him which I'll post soon, once I work out some details. The 2007 convention gave him the MOS 45G Fire Control Repairer http://www.yojoe.com/images/resize/w...7/sgtflash.jpg and the 2005 3pack has him listed as a Communications Officer http://www.yojoe.com/images/resize/w...d/05/flash.jpg So maybe he's a Communications Sgt? Quote:
Man I like that smalls Arms Master gunner for Flash, since it deals with Laser Optics and Electronic components of small arms which may be a more practical use of his "Electronics" SMS, but also Sniper rifles. I see Flash as a SNiper originally. Start as Small Arms Master Gunner instructor, it gets disintegrated, he moves on to Special Forces, Maybe Communications sgt. or Sniper or even as part of a CBRN Recon team if you want to include that.
But if you had anyone as a Small Arms Master Gunner, I could see them getting picked up by the Joes when the course was abolished. |
10-31-2015, 06:53 PM | #20182 |
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Happy Halloween everybody!
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10-31-2015, 08:53 PM | #20183 |
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Yeah steal your kids candy. That's what I am doing.
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11-01-2015, 06:19 PM | #20184 |
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My boys are too old for trick-or-treating...but thankfully I did not get that many trick or treaters this year so I have plenty of good chocolate to eat. lol So I am continuing to try and figure out the Joes in my Joe-verse. Several of the "Military Specialties" on the filecards (as we are all aware of) can be taken to mean a couple different things. For instance "Demolitions" to me is either the Joe in question can be either a Combat Engineer, Special Forces Engineer Sergeant or someone who went to the Sapper Leader Course. Likewise an EOD MOS can be either an 89D Explosive Ordnance Disposal Specialist or someone who attended the Explosive Ordnance Clearance Agent Course. So that means someone like Tripwire could have started as a 12B Combat Engineer then moved to an 89D or maybe just a 12B who attended both the Sapper Leader Course and the EOCA Course. What is everyone else's take on some of these "military specialties" that are not always so clear cut? |
11-01-2015, 07:49 PM | #20185 |
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I don't think just anyone can take the Sapper Leader or EOCA courses. The Army's ATRRS catalog says the prerequisite for those courses is a Combat Engineer MOS. So EOD could mean 89D or 12B, and demolitions would be 12B or 18C, although if the rank is below E6 I usually assume that Joe was a Combat Engineer.
If the character specializes in both demolitions and EOD, I'm more likely to list him as a Combat Engineer, which is how I use Lightfoot, Tripwire, and Tunnel Rat, but they may be attached to a SOF unit. Long Arm is my only confirmed 89D. Last edited by Tanksmasher; 11-01-2015 at 08:04 PM.. |
11-01-2015, 08:20 PM | #20186 |
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I don't think just anyone can take the Sapper Leader or EOCA courses. The Army's ATRRS catalog says the prerequisite for those courses is a Combat Engineer MOS. So EOD could mean 89D or 12B, and demolitions would be 12B or 18C, although if the rank is below E6 I usually assume that Joe was a Combat Engineer.
If the character specializes in both demolitions and EOD, I'm more likely to list him as a Combat Engineer, which is how I use Lightfoot, Tripwire, and Tunnel Rat, but they may be attached to a SOF unit. Long Arm is my only confirmed 89D. There are also courses within the Rangers like Basic and Advanced Breaching too. (and NATO SHAPE schools, that guys like the Joes might be able to attend) |
11-01-2015, 10:31 PM | #20187 |
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I wonder if card template changed where the primary specialty is listed as say 11B, but instead of a SMS have all the schooling in that space. Most guys don't have two specialties. They may switch careers, but Demolitions isn't a job MOS.
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11-02-2015, 08:38 AM | #20188 |
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I don't think just anyone can take the Sapper Leader or EOCA courses. The Army's ATRRS catalog says the prerequisite for those courses is a Combat Engineer MOS. So EOD could mean 89D or 12B, and demolitions would be 12B or 18C, although if the rank is below E6 I usually assume that Joe was a Combat Engineer.
If the character specializes in both demolitions and EOD, I'm more likely to list him as a Combat Engineer, which is how I use Lightfoot, Tripwire, and Tunnel Rat, but they may be attached to a SOF unit. Long Arm is my only confirmed 89D. Quote:
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Yup, totally agree. Also Rangers get plenty of demolitions training, so sometimes 'Demolitions' on a FC may not mean 12B / 18C necessarily, especially if they might be part of the Regiment.
There are also courses within the Rangers like Basic and Advanced Breaching too. (and NATO SHAPE schools, that guys like the Joes might be able to attend) |
11-02-2015, 08:49 AM | #20189 |
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Well just as you point out, many of the specialties aren't actual MOS's--Long Arm's first card doesn't even say EOD; it says Offensive Tactician, whatever that it is--so we have to interpret them. You certainly could call anyone one with EOD an 89D. No doubt. But when I see demo and EOD together , I prefer to go with 12B since its easier to explain.
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11-02-2015, 09:09 AM | #20190 |
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Demolitions training is part of Ranger School. I don't know about RASP but there are basic and advanced Breaching / Demolitions training available within the Regiment.
Advanced demolitions is also part of the Ranger Reconnaissance Company's Operator Training Course. I forgot to add (to a post several pages back) that USAF Combat Controllers also receive demolitions training. |
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