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10-17-2015, 10:31 PM | #20151 |
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Another way to approach the character backgrounds is to take a page from Tom Clancy's "Clear and Present Danger," where the special ops teams were drawn from light infantry divisions in order to avoid drawing attention to soldiers vanishing within the relatively small "official" spec ops community. So instead of being former Delta or Seal or whatever, a lot of Joes could simply be combat arms guys who, as noted in some file cards, did really well on certain courses at just the right time.
But back to Steeler - nice take on him. |
10-18-2015, 10:47 AM | #20152 |
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So I've been slowly redoing the Joes, re imagining them in a more contemporary realistic setting. It actually helps alot with placement in my structure. Anyway, I did Stalker a few pages back. Now it's Steeler's turn.
The problem I had with Steeler is two-fold. 1) He has 3 different Career branches; Artillery, Armor and Transport. Most Officers only have the one branch till they reach Captain and even then Transport is a Combat Service Support branch. 2) He may be an Officer but after a quick re-read of his ARAH appearance, seems to me that Larry Hama wrote him as an E-5 instead of an O-1 or O-2. The clearest indication for me was in an issue of Declassified (which Hama is on record saying that it's cannon) where he pushes the Chaplain's Asst's around in the Mess Hall. If he was an officer, wouldn't he be dining in the Officer's Mess? Anyway, in my update; Steeler wanted to go to West Point, but his attitude to superiors rose up in an interview with a Senator who was supposed to support his application. He lost his cool and with it, any hopes of West Point. With no money and little chance of a scholarship, he enlists straight out of High School. Goes to Armor School and becomes a 19K M1A1 Armor Crewman. He excels in the army and is quickly promoted to Tank Commander and is honorably discharged as an E-5. Attends Penn State as an Engineering Major on a ROTC schoalrship after realizing the GI Bill at 36 months won't cover his Mechanical Engineering degree all the way. Works for his Uncle's Construction business as a Heavy Vehicle operator on a casual basis. Whilst in ROTC, completes Airborne, Air Assault and Basic Mountaineering Summer Courses. Also gets the ROTC Ranger Challenge Tab. Although he does very well, his problems with dealing with superior officers resurfaces and a vengeful personnel Officer assigns him a billet as a Transportation Officer, although his 3 choices were all Combat Arms. He gets the 'Needs of the Army' speech. Luck smiles on him as he gets Branch Detailed to Armor Making the best of the situation and keeping his temper in check, he sails through the Armor Basic Officer Leadership Course (ABOLC) as the distinguished Honor Graduate (top of his class) as a Cavalry Officer. Attends the follow on Armor Reconnaissance Course and Stryker Leader Courses. Graduates Ranger School as the William Darby Distinguished Graduate award winner. After serving briefly as a Distribution Platoon Leader, his request for branch transfer is approved. (This takes care of 2 of his MOS's) Serves as a Stryker Platoon Leader with the 21st Infantry Regiment (1 year, 4 months) Serves as a Ranger Mobility Platoon Leader (Rangers have 18 Stryker Vehicles now) (2 years) Attends the Joint Fires Observer Course (filling that Artillery School mention on his FC) Serves as a Troop Commander with the 32nd Cavalry Regiment (1 year) Attends the Maneuver Captain's Career Course (MCCC) Serves as a Ranger Company Commander (1 year) Serves briefly in a USSOCOM Program Executive Office as a Subject Matter Expert on Armored Fighting Vehicles (the Cadre AFV mention on his FC) before preparing to go to the US Army War College. Scouted by both Delta and the Asymmetric Warfare Group, he joins the GI JOE program instead and is one of only 2 Officers (and 11 NCO's) to make it through the first Selection and Assessment. He completes the Operator Training and serves as a Mobility Assault Troop Commander. What do you boys think? Is it plausible? I know that there are some billets he's filled that traditionally need an 11A billet and he's cavalry but I was talking to a guy who said that the lines between Infantry / Armor / Cavalry Officers are becoming more blurry. |
10-18-2015, 01:06 PM | #20153 |
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the only real difference between the USMC and the US Army, according to a thing I read on wikipedia, is that the Marines have everything integrated into one command; air, armour, artillery, infantry.
TBH, I feel if you're going to do a modern update and change things in the Joes, you might just as well sling everything out except their names and basic functions - EG: Steeler being a tank commander from Pittsburgh called Ralph Pulaski. or Torpedo being a Navy SEAL from Hawai'i. It was what I did with my Black Sword fic. hell, I didn't even entirely keep anything beyond their real names and codenames with some, since I made Hit&Run a Delta operator not a light infantryman and I made Cloudburst into a helo pilot and changed several of the helo pilots' service branches. Speaking of Steeler, They totally screwed him up. I think he fills a support role so there may be some connection, but then made him Blackout the undercover Cobra operative. Meanwhile they have a character named Blacklight, and the Mad Monk who looks and acts more like the DDP Blackout. Didn't work for me. But making Tripwire Rangers or Special Forces I loved. Dropping the whole Klutzy business didn't bother me.
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10-18-2015, 08:51 PM | #20154 |
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So I've been slowly redoing the Joes, re imagining them in a more contemporary realistic setting. It actually helps alot with placement in my structure. Anyway, I did Stalker a few pages back. Now it's Steeler's turn.
The problem I had with Steeler is two-fold. 1) He has 3 different Career branches; Artillery, Armor and Transport. Most Officers only have the one branch till they reach Captain and even then Transport is a Combat Service Support branch. 2) He may be an Officer but after a quick re-read of his ARAH appearance, seems to me that Larry Hama wrote him as an E-5 instead of an O-1 or O-2. The clearest indication for me was in an issue of Declassified (which Hama is on record saying that it's cannon) where he pushes the Chaplain's Asst's around in the Mess Hall. If he was an officer, wouldn't he be dining in the Officer's Mess? Anyway, in my update; Steeler wanted to go to West Point, but his attitude to superiors rose up in an interview with a Senator who was supposed to support his application. He lost his cool and with it, any hopes of West Point. With no money and little chance of a scholarship, he enlists straight out of High School. Goes to Armor School and becomes a 19K M1A1 Armor Crewman. He excels in the army and is quickly promoted to Tank Commander and is honorably discharged as an E-5. Attends Penn State as an Engineering Major on a ROTC schoalrship after realizing the GI Bill at 36 months won't cover his Mechanical Engineering degree all the way. Works for his Uncle's Construction business as a Heavy Vehicle operator on a casual basis. Whilst in ROTC, completes Airborne, Air Assault and Basic Mountaineering Summer Courses. Also gets the ROTC Ranger Challenge Tab. Although he does very well, his problems with dealing with superior officers resurfaces and a vengeful personnel Officer assigns him a billet as a Transportation Officer, although his 3 choices were all Combat Arms. He gets the 'Needs of the Army' speech. Luck smiles on him as he gets Branch Detailed to Armor Making the best of the situation and keeping his temper in check, he sails through the Armor Basic Officer Leadership Course (ABOLC) as the distinguished Honor Graduate (top of his class) as a Cavalry Officer. Attends the follow on Armor Reconnaissance Course and Stryker Leader Courses. Graduates Ranger School as the William Darby Distinguished Graduate award winner. After serving briefly as a Distribution Platoon Leader, his request for branch transfer is approved. (This takes care of 2 of his MOS's) Serves as a Stryker Platoon Leader with the 21st Infantry Regiment (1 year, 4 months) Serves as a Ranger Mobility Platoon Leader (Rangers have 18 Stryker Vehicles now) (2 years) Attends the Joint Fires Observer Course (filling that Artillery School mention on his FC) Serves as a Troop Commander with the 32nd Cavalry Regiment (1 year) Attends the Maneuver Captain's Career Course (MCCC) Serves as a Ranger Company Commander (1 year) Serves briefly in a USSOCOM Program Executive Office as a Subject Matter Expert on Armored Fighting Vehicles (the Cadre AFV mention on his FC) before preparing to go to the US Army War College. Scouted by both Delta and the Asymmetric Warfare Group, he joins the GI JOE program instead and is one of only 2 Officers (and 11 NCO's) to make it through the first Selection and Assessment. He completes the Operator Training and serves as a Mobility Assault Troop Commander. What do you boys think? Is it plausible? I know that there are some billets he's filled that traditionally need an 11A billet and he's cavalry but I was talking to a guy who said that the lines between Infantry / Armor / Cavalry Officers are becoming more blurry. |
10-22-2015, 01:43 AM | #20155 |
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Thanks for the feedback guys
Yeah John, planning on doing more (or all) of them. I've been working on Short Fuze and Flash the last few days. The OG13 are tough because in almost every case they have 3 MOS's. Whilst it's not that unusual, most guys who have 3 MOS's either have been in a long time or are guys who can't find a place to fit. Also moving or re-classing from one MOS to another isn't that easy. From my understanding there are only a few ways; 1) Upon re-enlistment. The closer one gets to re-upping, the retention NCO's will come around and that's when you can ask to go to another job. Even then it's not a guarantee as usually the military will want you to go from an overstrength MOS to an under-strength MOS. Also depending on the initial enlistment contract, I think you have to be in your MOS at least 2-3 years before even considering re-classing. 2) There are some MOS's you can shift to at any time if you can pass the Aptitude and Physical requirements, like Special Forces, PSYOP, Civil Affairs etc. 3) There are periods where the Military lets people move from an overstrength MOS to an under strength MOS. Those MOS's shift all the time. (In / Out Call) 4) What they call the BEAR program where not only can you shift MOS with no penalty but there's usually a cash incentive and an academic one, where the MOS you go to counts for college credits. The 12P Prime Power is one. You get $4000 cash bonus, 16 college credits and after you qualify for your ASI (Electrical / Mechanical or Instrument) you get 6 hours to count towards your college degree. Also with the US Military in drawdown it's become harder to go Active Duty from the NG or Reserve and even harder for prior service. So because of the above factors, it's been hell trying to figure out how to 'fit' all the training and MOS's listed into my concept of the Joes and keeping them young-ish if you add in time spent in college. The later year characters will be a lot easier because mostly the MOS's don't exist or they've been confused with additional duties (all the Instructor MOS's). The Joes who move from Combat Support / Service Support to Combat Arms have been easier but I've found Short Fuze to be the hardest, he's got 3 MOS's which are all Combat Arms; Infantry, Artillery and Engineer. Last edited by Tyroc; 10-22-2015 at 02:02 AM.. |
10-22-2015, 07:23 AM | #20156 |
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I have been following Zuludelta's pattern and that he typically ignores one of their MOS's and focuses on two of them. Realistically most soldiers would probably only do one or two MOS's in their military career. I know Zulu had Short-Fuze starting out as a Fire Support Specialist (Artillery) then becoming an Indirect fire Infantryman (Infantry) and dropped the Engineer MOS. I thought of making Short Fuze either a Special Forces Engineer or Weapons Sergeant. Maybe he started as an Indirect fire Infantryman (Infantry) then moved to Special Forces Engineer (Engineer) who gets Joint Fires Observer training (artillery)? I am not sure if an Engineer could go for that type of training or not. I see it more with a Communications Sergeant myself but it may be possible.
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10-22-2015, 07:55 AM | #20157 |
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I have been following Zuludelta's pattern and that he typically ignores one of their MOS's and focuses on two of them. Realistically most soldiers would probably only do one or two MOS's in their military career. I know Zulu had Short-Fuze starting out as a Fire Support Specialist (Artillery) then becoming an Indirect fire Infantryman (Infantry) and dropped the Engineer MOS. I thought of making Short Fuze either a Special Forces Engineer or Weapons Sergeant. Maybe he started as an Indirect fire Infantryman (Infantry) then moved to Special Forces Engineer (Engineer) who gets Joint Fires Observer training (artillery)? I am not sure if an Engineer could go for that type of training or not. I see it more with a Communications Sergeant myself but it may be possible.
My take on Short Fuze is that he's a 12B Combat Engineer who becomes a SF Weapons Sgt. I want to incorporate the whole Engineer part of his training because of the 'Short Fuse' being both a play on his short temper but also his job as the Combat Demo guy. A SF Weapons Sgt gets extensive training in forward observer and directing fires procedures as well as training in using mortars. That takes care of the 'Advanced Infantry training and Engineer school' on his FC. The Artillery school part I'm thinking will be advanced courses in Terminal Attack Control from both in the US and Foreign partner SOF schools. I'll post it when it's done. |
10-22-2015, 08:06 AM | #20158 |
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Thanks John, reading your post, crystalized something in my head. All this time with Short Fuze, I've been trying to pigeon hole him the wrong way.
My take on Short Fuze is that he's a 12B Combat Engineer who becomes a SF Weapons Sgt. I want to incorporate the whole Engineer part of his training because of the 'Short Fuse' being both a play on his short temper but also his job as the Combat Demo guy. A SF Weapons Sgt gets extensive training in forward observer and directing fires procedures as well as training in using mortars. That takes care of the 'Advanced Infantry training and Engineer school' on his FC. The Artillery school part I'm thinking will be advanced courses in Terminal Attack Control from both in the US and Foreign partner SOF schools. I'll post it when it's done. Always glad to help out! Unfortunately I do not know the indepth military stuff like what you had in your previous post but I like to at least throw ideas out there. I like your take on Short Fuze! I feel the majority of the Original 13 should have been former Special Forces. I am already shifting Rock'n'Roll and Grunt as Special Forces Weapons Sergeants, Zap and Snake-Eyes as SF Engineers, Stalker as a SF Medic, Breaker as SF Communications and Hawk as a SF Officer (Zulu had him start in Air Defense Artillery before moving to SF). Have no idea about Flash and Clutch though. Those two are going to take some thought. |
10-22-2015, 09:57 AM | #20159 |
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I would say Engineer for Flash as well and have Clutch show up with Steeler, meeting up during their time in the Rangers?
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10-22-2015, 10:08 AM | #20160 |
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You know, I always thought Short-fuze's card was a mistake in terminology. It says "Infantry Engineer" with no comma between them so I thought Hama meant Combat Engineer, not two separate MOS. And "Artillery" was mistakenly used instead of Indirect Fire Infantryman, though Hama should've known the difference, but who knows who else had input on the cards. However, I would find it less convincing to go from Fire Spt Spc to a mortarman, because being an FO is a more demanding career. I couldn't imagine Short-fuze choosing a less rewarding career path, but it's a possibility certainly.
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