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10-08-2015, 07:20 AM | #20121 |
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Thanks for the recommendations guys!
I almost got Inside Seal Team Six by Don Mann but saw there were many black marks covering classified information in the book that it drove me to put it back on the shelf. You would think they could have changed some information to make it more readable. I thought about getting Eversmann's book but I have at least three that go over The Battle of Mogadishu that it seemed redundant. Is it a good read? Also is Rogue Warrior actually based on fact or is it a fiction novel? |
10-08-2015, 08:07 AM | #20122 |
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Thanks for the recommendations guys!
I almost got Inside Seal Team Six by Don Mann but saw there were many black marks covering classified information in the book that it drove me to put it back on the shelf. You would think they could have changed some information to make it more readable. I thought about getting Eversmann's book but I have at least three that go over The Battle of Mogadishu that it seemed redundant. Is it a good read? Also is Rogue Warrior actually based on fact or is it a fiction novel? As for Marcinko, who can say what's fact or fiction. I enjoyed the first book for what it was but the rest of his books are in even more over the top style and I just couldn't continue with it. Luckily they were umm..."off site back ups" so it didn't cost me anything. |
10-08-2015, 09:15 AM | #20123 |
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I have a theory about Mann's book: I think he did the redaction himself as a marketing gimmick. It's so badly done that you can figure out what was blacked out by going a couple of pages back or forward or checking the index. That said, it wasn't a great book. I only took away three things from it: in his day the Seals were short on corpsmen, and the corpsmen training system was inferior to the Army SF pipeline; Seals thought Delta was rigid, cumbersome and slow; and Don Mann has a very high opinion of Don Mann.
My issue with spec ops memoirs in general is that they spend an inordinate amount of time recounting tales of selection. Selection isn't an objective and frankly it isn't any more interesting than any other military course. It's a means to an end. One book that deviated from the trend was Pete McAleese's No Mean Soldier, where he writes words to the effect that "a lot of people have written about selection elsewhere. Suffice to say it was long and hard but lots of people pass. Otherwise there wouldn't be a Regiment." And then he goes on to explain why he's such a damn fine fellow. He does include some amusing anecdotes about trials with operational HALO jumps in Oman or Aden which basically amounted to everyone being scattered and spending more time trying to consolidate and get away than prosecuting the objective. Early days . . . |
10-08-2015, 09:33 AM | #20124 |
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I have a theory about Mann's book: I think he did the redaction himself as a marketing gimmick. It's so badly done that you can figure out what was blacked out by going a couple of pages back or forward or checking the index. That said, it wasn't a great book. I only took away three things from it: in his day the Seals were short on corpsmen, and the corpsmen training system was inferior to the Army SF pipeline; Seals thought Delta was rigid, cumbersome and slow; and Don Mann has a very high opinion of Don Mann.
My issue with spec ops memoirs in general is that they spend an inordinate amount of time recounting tales of selection. Selection isn't an objective and frankly it isn't any more interesting than any other military course. It's a means to an end. One book that deviated from the trend was Pete McAleese's No Mean Soldier, where he writes words to the effect that "a lot of people have written about selection elsewhere. Suffice to say it was long and hard but lots of people pass. Otherwise there wouldn't be a Regiment." And then he goes on to explain why he's such a damn fine fellow. He does include some amusing anecdotes about trials with operational HALO jumps in Oman or Aden which basically amounted to everyone being scattered and spending more time trying to consolidate and get away than prosecuting the objective. Early days . . . I think at heart he tells good stories, he just needs a better editor. |
10-08-2015, 06:23 PM | #20125 |
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Hmm, you could be right about Mann and the redacting, the other thing I found annoying was his over use of his adventures in Triathlons...umm..it's supposed to be about your time in ST6 and he bangs on and on about what a great athlete he is. It's the same with his fiction novels, he describes this great mission work up, the planning and just when things are going well he cuts to another scene where the members of the team travel to the Sahara to do an endurance marathon...WTF?
I think at heart he tells good stories, he just needs a better editor. |
10-10-2015, 01:14 PM | #20126 |
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Getting back to our Ranger list for a moment. If anyone uses the ECO Warriors / Force guys as ex-Chemical Reconnaissance Detachment then they'd all be Ranger Qualified. So too anyone who uses any of their Joes as SOT-A's / SIGINT collectors. Both detachment's personnel are V Coded (Ranger School required) positions.
An interesting thing about the CRD I found out recently is that they're now the SOF Sensitive Site Exploitation Experts. The CRD element is trained in collecting fingerprints, retinal scans, DNA etc from Living & Deceased persons, as well as detecting and identifying gunshot residue, tire tracks, footprint impressions etc. All the Battlefield CSI stuff (including documents, media and cell phones) All that goes back to the Group Service Battalion's Chemical Decontamination Detachment (around 10-14 persons) who are responsible for both CBRN decontamination of Troops (the old scrubbing down with hoses etc) but also functions as an 'Exploitation Analysis Center (EAC). Those guys are trained in Document & Media Forensics, some Computer Forensics, latent finger print, gunpowder & explosive residue and ballistic analysis. |
10-10-2015, 02:40 PM | #20127 |
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Tyroc - do you know if flamethrower dudes are considered engineers or CRD?
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10-10-2015, 04:22 PM | #20128 |
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Getting back to our Ranger list for a moment. If anyone uses the ECO Warriors / Force guys as ex-Chemical Reconnaissance Detachment then they'd all be Ranger Qualified. So too anyone who uses any of their Joes as SOT-A's / SIGINT collectors. Both detachment's personnel are V Coded (Ranger School required) positions.
This I did not know. SOT-A's? Who's on your list?
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10-10-2015, 11:24 PM | #20129 |
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The closest 'flame' type of weapon that's being used at the moment, that I can think of is the thermobaric bomb or RPG (Rocket propelled grenade)round. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG-7 It's been used very successfully in Afghanistan (against caves) and in Iraq. In an issue of GI Joe Hearts & Minds from IDW, this is the weapon that Blowtorch uses instead of a flamethrower. There are also shotgun & grenade launcher fed thermobaric rounds Weapon Getting back to where the flamethrower guys would go, they could be Combat Engineers or Chemical Staff like you say, or maybe even Armorers (using acetylene torches, I think that's how Zulu Delta used them). I use them as Combat Engineer Assault Breachers, specializing in Thermal breaching (using heavy duty torches to get thru thick steel doors, especially on ships and stronghold structures). Blowtorch is listed in his filecard as studying Structural and Chemical Engineering so this could be a good fit for him. Blast Off and Charbroil could be the same. There was a story I read in 'Relentless Strike' about a Master Sniper and a Master Breacher from Delta who were teaching Marines how to use the thermobaric SMAW when they got overrun. Also, in 'Zero Six Bravo', SBS's M Squadron were on Mobile Ops in Iraq when they too got overrun. The author talks about their new Thermobaric weapon and they only had the one (for the whole Squadron - 60 guys). None of them had ever actually fired the round because it was too expensive to waste. |
10-10-2015, 11:32 PM | #20130 |
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I use Breaker as an ex-SOT-A who transitioned to a SF Communications SGT (like some of them do). It helps me explain how he was part of a SF unit as an E-4. I use Sparks the same way. They're both linguists in multiple languages and do more than just Comm stuff. I use Siglio the Argentinian Quick Kick as a SOT-A too. He's one of the few Plastirama figures I own (I have Fuego too).
I want to create a small unit of SIGINT / EW guys made up of SOT-A's, USMC Radio Reconnaissance guys and Activity SIGINT specialists. I want to use all the Sonic Fighters / Super Sonic Fighters / Forca Electronica guys too but they just don't translate as SIGINT / EW guys.They're supposed to fight with sonic weapons, but for the most part they're all Heavy Weapons specialists. |
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