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09-05-2015, 12:41 PM | #19931 |
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Personally I will make him 0-2 Lieutenant from SBS. Beaver. Shark, leviathan need a commander.
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09-05-2015, 12:43 PM | #19932 |
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I treat them as Snipers. The equipment doesn't lend itself to concealment but Flash, Sci-Fi, Red-Spot, Dodger and now maybe Sightline are trained snipers who are now tasked with the laser weapons, which function like Star Wars lasers or the cartoons. I also treat all the Flamethrowers as laser troopers as well who carry a heavier Plasma weapon which is more like a shotgun blast. Laser-Vipers backpacks are similar to the Flamethrowers. HAL fires just a bigger ball of plasma. It just isn't a super laser beam. It has to miss sometimes. Its benefit is that it generates its own energy versus lugging around cases of shells.
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09-05-2015, 12:48 PM | #19933 |
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How do you all treat Lt. Dolphin?
Lt. Dolphin (v1) G.I. Joe Action Figure - YoJoe Archive SBS? Royal Navy submarine commander? Royal Marines? There is the submarine business but then he is all about the kayak which sounds more like Swimmer Canoeists. Then OF-1? LIEUTENANT? And Lieutenant commander of Q-Force? Possibly three different ranks on one filecard. does SBS use army or Naval ranks? (I use night Force Muskrat with a headswap with a Steeler figure) YOJOE.COM | Filecard Gallery - Dolphin (United Kingdom) http://www.yojoe.com/comics/baf/data...afile%2036.jpg OF-1 is a Sub-Lieutenant in the Royal Navy. OF-1 can be a Lieutenant or Second Lieutenant in the Royal Marines. His rising quickly through the ranks to OF-1 makes no sense. The Club card makes Lieutenant Commander sound like a position (like second in command); instead of, an actual rank. Like when Hawk is called the Commander of the Joe team.The Club also added the kayaking hobby. I'm guessing they couldn't get their hands on the Barracuda mold. He's always been primarily a submariner.
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09-05-2015, 01:09 PM | #19934 |
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The HAL has become a reality.
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09-05-2015, 01:15 PM | #19935 |
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I'm curious, and have wondered this most of my life since they introduced Flash: What does a laser trooper really do? Of course, on the Sunbow cartoons, everyone was a "laser trooper" - they all had blasters like the characters in Star Wars. In reality though, would Flash simply hide behind cover and point his laser gun at a tank or other target to "spot" it for missiles? That seems lame.
I'm also perplexed on how the H.A.L. (Heavy Artillery Laser) would operate on the battle field? Would Grand Slam literally have to concentrate both barrels of his huge laser cannon on a flying enemy vehicle and track it until it eventually exploded? I just never understood how lasers would really work in reality except to "spot" targets for artillery or infantry. The file-cards for the laser troopers never helped me either. Sci-Fi's says that he just stood there so his laser could eventually cut through things. That's great, so long as no one's shooting at you. (This included the Laser-Vipers' file-cards which pretty much summed it up and it was always a let down for me, who thought the Cobra character looked so great with twin shoulder-mounted laser guns.) If anyone could enlighten me on how the laser troopers would work in the Joe universe (or the Real World, for that matter!) - or what they would do to be a viable part of the team on and off the battlefield - I would really appreciate it! Quote:
pretty much how you said is how they'd work. They'd concentrate a beam of laser light on a spot and burn through it. The US Marvel comics show this with Flash in an early issue where he burns a hole in a door in the PIT after him, Snake Eyes and (iirc) Stalker are locked in. BAF shows it in "Codename: Flash" and the UK Marvel show it in AF Monthly (GI Joe: European Missions), when Sci-Fi burned through a cable connecting a BAT to a van bomb on Tower Bridge.
My fanfic describes the weapons as 'phased particle beam' weapons and the Space Force cosmic cruiser as also being armed with plasma pulse weapons. which basically translates as 'sci-fi ray guns'. Quote:
I treat them as snipers. The equipment doesn't lend itself to concealment but Flash, Sci-Fi, Red-Spot, Dodger and now maybe Sightline are trained snipers who are now tasked with the laser weapons, which function like Star Wars lasers or the cartoons. I also treat all the Flamethrowers as laser troopers as well who carry a heavier Plasma weapon which is more like a shotgun blast. Laser-Vipers backpacks are similar to the Flamethrowers. HAL fires just a bigger ball of plasma. It just isn't a super laser beam. It has to miss sometimes. Its benefit is that it generates its own energy versus lugging around cases of shells.
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I guess they could also use the lasers as strobe effect weapons to distract and blind pilots, drivers. There's a conspiracy theory that members of the SAS's E Squadron aka the Increment used laser strobe weapons to blind the driver of Princess Diana's car. The theory may be suspect but the application is based in reality. I've read that they've used weapons like these to bring down helicopters and light planes (not to mention drivers).
Zulu always used the laser guys as COLTS (Combat Observation Lasing Team) FM 6-20-50: TTPs For Fire Support For Brigade Operations (Light) - Appendix J Afghanistan and Iraq really saw the explosion of using small SOF teams using lasing technology to deliver precision munitions to devastating effect. It also forms part of the military using Directed Energy Weapons (DEW) to greater effect in the future. Use of DEW is seen as an important part of this next generation of warfare, where belligerents mingle within civilian populations in a concentrated urban setting. DEW gives the SOF the ability to disarm potential enemies without casualties and minimum collateral damage (based on the assumption that any poor civilians caught up will get better eventually as opposed to dying outright). Also, I know the military has used the HLONS (HMMWV Laser Ordnance Neutralization System), a.k.a. ZEUS mounted on armored vehicles for this purpose. Oh, and "Plasma weapons" are still a little too futuristic for my concerns, though I definitely appreciate everyone's insight. I'm just more interested in real-world applications for the Joes' dossiers right now. Last edited by seaneley; 09-05-2015 at 01:57 PM.. Reason: clarification |
09-05-2015, 01:33 PM | #19936 |
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Yeah I figure originally he is meant to be a submarine guy, but when you add all the SCUBA abilities then he becomes more of a special operator IMO.
In the action Force comic "operation Sea-Lion. Dolphin is referred to as Lt. commander by rank. Leviathan seems to be overall Q-Force commander. OPERATION SEALION I didn't realize Leviathan is the boss. I might have to replace my commander Bond with Leviathan. (for some reason I haven't added Leviathan yet?)
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09-05-2015, 01:39 PM | #19937 |
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Wow! That's a laser??? I wonder if the HAL is / was practical with just one fella sitting in a reclining chair, like Grand Slam did. I suppose his visor could have integrated Heads-Up Display so he could track and target the enemy from great distances?
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09-05-2015, 01:44 PM | #19938 |
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I use the flame thrower guys as part of my Heavy Breaching Troop, they're mostly tasked with Thermal Breaching (using acetylene torches etc to cut into steel doors) but guys like Blowtorch who studied mechanical and structural engineering, I use as a consultant for when they're planning operations that involve missile silos, weapons depots etc. Places which are either hard to penetrate or are deeply buried (like deeply buried underground bunkers). JSOC actually has a unit which does this, they specialize in 'Hard and Deeply Buried Targets'. They're staffed with expert breachers, combat engineers etc and study targets and see how they can get in; can they smoke them out, how thick are the walls, if it's buried, how far is it buried, can a bunker buster reach deep enough, that sort of thing.
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09-05-2015, 02:21 PM | #19939 |
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So I'm thinking Flash could use his laser gun to cut, weld and safely destroy explosives (making Tripwire and other EOD specialists redundant at times). He probably uses a carbon dioxide laser that is either air or water-cooled and powered by his fancy backpack.
I don't think Snow Job's "laser gun" would be nearly as powerful as Flash's, plus it does not have the added benefit of a powered backpack. Though Snow Job is a qualified sniper, I'm assuming his laser gun was used for little more than a spotter (though the Sunbow cartoon made this the standard weapon of all the Joe soldiers). Realistically, would it even be strong enough to cut through a Cobra Trooper and how many shots could it produce before it needed recharged? |
09-05-2015, 04:06 PM | #19940 |
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I don't buy Snow Job using a laser rifle. To me, he uses as standard projectile rifle. laser weapon wouldn't be totally effective in a snow environment. too much risk of the snow reflecting the beam off target or degrading the beam.
I forgot, Sci-Fi was also in a story in AFM where he was destroying sea mines in the Straits of Hormuz near the Persian Gulf to allow passage of tankers. (He was deployed on the WHALE). I see Dolphin as being similar to Deep Six. It's more or less the same thing in the two toylines, a guy in a cool mini-sub. It's just that the Sea Lion isn't able to fly (which I always found kinda ludicrous any way) and is a. more heavily armed and b. equipped with two small diver delivery chariots. Lt. Commander as his rank actually makes sense, but not as a position. Leviathan is the Q-Force commander in the comics, but wasn't marketed as such like 'Squad Leader Eagle' 'Captain Skip' and 'Commander Sky Raider'. The audio adventure tape that was part of the fan club package doesn't actually use a Q-Force CO, Dolphin's the only Q-Force guy in it and he's introduced to Trooper, the new recruit, as commander of the 'Sea Lion detachment'. |
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