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08-30-2015, 11:04 AM | #19831 |
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So how would you guys handle date of rank and recruitment assuming two things: first, that the GI Joe team was formed in 1982, and second, that most Joes were part of the team when it was formed. I know some people imagine that each Joe joined the team in the year his figure was first released, but let's pretend for a moment that they all pretty much volunteered when the team formed in 1982 when the comic and toyline debuted, with some exceptions. Would it make more sense to have each Joe's rank (per file card) coincide with the year of his release? So, for example, Falcon would be an O2 in 1987. Or would it be better to have their rank coincide with the start of the team, so that Falcon is an O2 in 1982, which means he would be an O3 by '87. I ask because their actual date of rank would also determine who's senior to whom. So in the second option, the senior NCO of my arctic team would be Blizzard because he's an E-7, but in the first option, assuming he didn't become an E-7 until the late 80s (when his file card came out) Snow Job would probably outrank him since he was an E-6 in '83 and would likely make E-7 before Blizzard. Granted all the Joes would be geriatrics by now, but for the sake of a classic storyline based in the 80s and 90s, I'm trying to decide when each Joe was promoted.
It also raises other questions. So if Falcon is an O2 in '87, he was probably commissioned 2-3 years earlier, placing him around 1984-85. But if I want him on the team in '82, then I could pretend he was formerly enlisted SF, and later went to OCS to be an officer. Last edited by Tanksmasher; 08-30-2015 at 11:11 AM.. |
08-30-2015, 12:41 PM | #19832 |
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I am not sure how you would handle that scenario. I don't subscribe to that assumption except I believe that year two's class was tapped the same time as the original thirteen, but for various reasons were not able to move over to the Joes at the time. Especially the non Army Joes.
Still I believe the filecards reflect the time when they join. Some guys though who we don't see for years should be getting promotions along the way. By 1987 all the original 22 should have had at least one promotion.
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08-30-2015, 01:46 PM | #19833 |
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I run with the idea that they joined the Joes around the time the figures were released. I've been working on the assumption that some Joes ranks went up (as they did on filecards of several) and that once the Joes were shut down in 1994, everyone from before 1990 or so, who remained in the US Armed Forces was promoted at least one rank. Some I might've promoted two. I've never been entirely clear how promotion works in the US forces or even the UK ones (my dad mentioned having to do exams to get promoted to Lance-Corporal when he was in, and ISTR that he said something about starting to study for promotion to Corporal but he left early on a compassionate discharge, due to his father's ill-health) so I just kinda promoted almost everyone one rank, with some of the major exceptions being Skystriker (already an Lt. Colonel), Captain Grid-Iron, Major Storm and Cutter (a Lieutenant Commander).
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08-30-2015, 02:00 PM | #19834 |
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I think it is fairly easy to assume most enlisted make it to E-6 or even E-7 with minimal effort. Same for reaching Captain for the lieutenants. E-8 (First Sgts) is a billet to fill so those don't come as easily and require extra administrative training. But Master Sgts (E-8) would not, but those are still hard to come by.
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08-30-2015, 02:24 PM | #19835 |
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My ranks that differ from what is the highest we've seen on the Filecards :
Hawk: O-7 (I don't want him higher) Major O-4: Claymore, Rapid-Fire, Psyche-Out Captain O-3: Scarlett, Sparks, LT Torpedo, Falcon, Slipstream, Steeler Sgt Major E-9: Stalker and Skydive switches with Altitude. Master Sergeant E-8: Snake-Eyes, Rock'n'Roll(E-9 is too high for me), Sgt Rock (Retaliation RB), Tollbooth, Big Ben Sergeant 1st class/ Gunnery E-7: Zap, Grand-Slam, Breaker,Recondo, Spirit, Roadblock, Ripcord, Lady Jaye, Mainframe, Lowlight, Wet-Suit, Dusty, Outback, Grunt, Airborne, Star-Duster, Hardtop, Steam-Roller, Repeater.
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08-30-2015, 04:09 PM | #19836 |
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Heres everyone thats rank/paygrade has been bumped up since first joining the team. Some have been dropped back to their original rank, but for the most part Ive ignored it with the exception of Hawk, who Ive left at 0-6, and Flint at E-6.
Gen. Joseph Colton (0-2 to 0-10) Cpt. Conrad S. Hauser (E-8 to 0-3) Cpt. Vincent R. Falcone (0-2 to 0-3) Lt. Shana M. O'Hara (E-5 to 0-2) Mst. Sgt. Lonzo R. Wilkinson (E-5 to E-8) Mst. Sgt. Wallace A. Weems (E-4 to E-8) SFC. Wayne R. Sneedan (E-6 to E-7) SFC. CLASSIFIED (E-5 to E-7) SFC. Alison R. Hart-Burnett (E-4 to E-7) SFC. Jason A. Faria (E-4 to E-7) SSgt. Marvin F. Hinton (E-4 to E-6) SSgt. Craig S. McConnel (E-5 to E-6) SSgt. Charlie Iron-Knife (E-4 to E-6) Sgt. Lance J. Steinberg (E-4 to E-5) Sgt. Major Ettienne R. LaFitte (E-7 to E-9) SCPO Hector X. Delgado (CPO E-7 to SCPO E-8) CPO Malcom R. Willoughby (PO2 E-5 to CPO E-7) There are more, but this is the most of the main roster I use, not counting the members of the Air Force and other pilots. |
08-30-2015, 04:48 PM | #19837 |
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My official No-Prize explanation for E-6 Warrant Officer Flint (which was fixed immediately after for all ARAH Flints) is this :
Typically you have to be E-6 to even apply for Warrant Officer. The filecard captures Flint before his commission had gone through. He obviously was sought after for his intelligence and strengths. Flint's career was probably on such a steep upward slope they couldn't even fit it on one filecard. Of course going to flight Warrant Officer school to become a Warrant Officer means you are going to be a helicopter pilot. So In my verse he is a Special Forces Warrant Officer. |
08-30-2015, 04:53 PM | #19838 |
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My ranks that differ from what is the highest we've seen on the File-cards :
Hawk: O-7 (I don't want him higher) Major O-4: Claymore, Rapid-Fire, Psyche-Out Captain O-3: Scarlett, Sparks, Lt. Torpedo, Falcon, Slipstream, Steeler Sgt Major E-9: Stalker and Skydive switches with Altitude. Master Sergeant E-8: Snake-Eyes, Rock 'n Roll(E-9 is too high for me), Sgt. Rock (Retaliation RB), Tollbooth, Big Ben Sergeant 1st class/ Gunnery E-7: Zap, Grand-Slam, Breaker,Recondo, Spirit, Roadblock, Ripcord, Lady Jaye, Mainframe, Lowlight, Wet-Suit, Dusty, Outback, Grunt, Airborne, Star-Duster, Hardtop, Steam-Roller, Repeater. Also: "Sgt. Rock?" Really??? |
08-30-2015, 05:04 PM | #19839 |
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08-30-2015, 05:10 PM | #19840 |
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I guess I was thinking realistically that the unit could have had more than the original 13 or so in the beginning to help flesh out the teams. Granted we could think of greenshirts filling needed positions, like Steeler's tank crew and so on, but if I want to organize some of the later Joes with older Joes, I have to start with a later time period to do so, or I could place some of the later Joes in an earlier period at a lower rank. So that way I could have Blizzard ranked as an E-5 or E-6 workimg missions alongside Snow Job in '83. Would that be a stretch in credulity?
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