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08-23-2015, 07:18 AM | #19781 |
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So what about the anti-armour guys? Cavalry Scouts? LRSU? Is that the same more or less? Or some mobility troop hybrid?
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08-23-2015, 07:45 AM | #19782 |
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Even though men from the old LRP units were used to form the Ranger Battalions, LRSU more accurately replaces the role that LRP played in Vietnam. LRSU are corps and division recon assets that operate 50-150 km beyond the forward line of troops and outside of artillery range. They have to rely on CAS for fire support.
Ranger Recon Teams are just recon assets for the 75th. They do the same job, as do other recon units--cavalry scouts, dismounted scouts, sniper teams--but the "long range" role is particular to LRSU. However, Special Recon, conducted by SOF--Special Forces, SEALs, STT, and MSOT--usually operates beyond artillery Rane as well. Not sure if that's what you were asking for, Loose. |
08-23-2015, 08:33 AM | #19783 |
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You know I don't know what am exactly asking since I have a lot of ignorance on who does what and there seems to be some overlapping. I guess the calvary scout role and types of assets used in a mystery to me. I picture LSRU aren't traveling on foot but that just may be a product of today's battlefield in The desert. I guess I equate the LSRU to the Recon Marines as in Generation Kill.
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08-23-2015, 10:36 AM | #19784 |
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And thanks for the info on Pathfinders! I wasn't sure if they usually inserted via stealth most of the time or not. Quote:
Potential Special Forces guys (it's been awhile since we done this) :
Definitely : Colton Duke Flint Falcon Drop-Zone Claymore Per convention Filecards : Beachhead Big Brawler Dial-Tone Potentially: Stalker Snake-Eyes Kamakura Ripcord Outback Recondo Spirit (Delta Force in Action Force) Hawk (Delta Force in Action Force) Rock'n'Roll Recoil Dusty Crank-Case That's a great list! I also include Breaker as Special Forces as well. I do have to ask what credentials makes Recoil and Crankcase possibly SF-qualified? |
08-23-2015, 11:13 AM | #19785 |
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Question about Clutch guys. Is he a Green Beret, Delta or CIA? His file card has training that just seems all over the board:
"Advanced Infantry Training; Covert Ops School; Executive Bodyguard School; Ranger School".
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08-23-2015, 11:25 AM | #19786 |
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Crankcase in my 'verse is an operator. His filecard mentions that he went on an SAS Driving Course. From what I've read about 22 SAS and what I know about the Australian SASR, you don't get to be on the course unless you come from an SF unit. Add to that he drives the AWE Striker which to me looks like the Long Range Desert Vehicles / Pink Panthers / Pinkies that the SAS drive.
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08-23-2015, 11:44 AM | #19787 |
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Add to that, in the DDP run he and Dusty are depicted in Israel, working with Ibrahim the Israeli SF guy who first showed up in Special Missions # 2. Now he was described as Mossad but I've always imagined him to be a member of the Duvdevan Unit; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duvdevan_Unit In that issue he and his team are pretending to be Banditos but Recondo pegs them as a Moroccan Jew straight away, so its not that much of a stretch to imagine him as a Jewish agent who disguises himself as an Arab. In any case whichever unit he was from, he wouldn't be working with Dusty or Clutch unless they were in Intelligence or SOF. |
08-23-2015, 01:35 PM | #19788 |
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I see Hasbro's rankings as only working if the Joes were actually a Joint Task Force pulled from all four branches of the military. Say a company from the 1st Infantry Division, a company from the 75th Rangers, some ODA's, etc. This would explain the relatively low rankings on most of the Joes. However since I am still leaning towards a more Delta-like team the majority of my Joes will be E-6's (including Ripcord). Stalker and Leatherneck would be an E-8, Snake-Eyes an E-7. etc. I also think there would be more former Green Berets on the Joe team versus former RRC's only because there are hundreds of SF soldiers versus 25-30 RRC's (according to Wikipedia).
And thanks for the info on Pathfinders! I wasn't sure if they usually inserted via stealth most of the time or not. That's a great list! I also include Breaker as Special Forces as well. I do have to ask what credentials makes Recoil and Crankcase possibly SF-qualified? Crankcase for all the reasons Tyroc mentioed. Recoil just sort of fits. More in the way Snake-Eyes sorta fits. He of course makes the perfect LRS guy but there is some overlap, especially how green Berets were used in the beginning of Afghanistan.
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08-23-2015, 03:29 PM | #19789 |
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You know I don't know what am exactly asking since I have a lot of ignorance on who does what and there seems to be some overlapping. I guess the calvary scout role and types of assets used in a mystery to me. I picture LSRU aren't traveling on foot but that just may be a product of today's battlefield in The desert. I guess I equate the LSRU to the Recon Marines as in Generation Kill.
Likewise, higher up the ladder, each brigade combat team--Armor, Stryker, and Infantry--has a dedicated recon/cavalry squadron. The recon troops and their platoons within each recon squadron perform the same role as the scout platoon mentioned above, except they conduct recon for the brigade commander. The scouts in mounted units, where they conduct recon from vehicles, are 19D cavalry scouts. Cavalry by definition needs to move fast and forward or to the flanks of the main force to conduct recon and security so that's why mounted recon teams consist of 19Ds. Dismounted units have 11Bs for scouts. (See breakout below.) Keep in mind that the recon assets of a battalion or brigade stay within their artillery's range for extra fire support and protection, whereas a division's recon assets, known as LRSU, need to travel much farther ahead, outside of that protective range, to gather effective intelligence for the division commander. The mission is riskier and requires stealthier means of infiltration, hence LRSU have teams that specialize in MFF, combat diving, etc. Infantry BCT -Infantry Battalion x 3 --Scout Platoon (1 per battalion): 11Bs (although they have trucks, they operate dismounted) -Recon Squadron (1 per BCT) --Mounted Troop x 2: 19Ds (humvees) --Dismounted Troop x 1: 11Bs Stryker BCT -Stryker Battalion x 3 --Scout Platoon (1 per battalion): 19Ds (Strykers) -Recon Squadron (1 per BCT) --Recee Troop x 3: 19Ds (Strykers) Armored BCT -Combined Arms Battalion x 2-3 --Scout Platoon (1 per battalion): 19Ds (Bradley's and humvees) -Recon Squadron (1 per BCT) --Recon Troop x 3: 19Ds (Bradley's and humvees) Division -Battlefield Surveillance Brigade --Recon & Surveillance Squadron ---LRSU Company: 11Bs Last edited by Tanksmasher; 08-23-2015 at 03:38 PM.. |
08-23-2015, 04:19 PM | #19790 |
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Great breakdown of recon units Tanksmasher. I am assuming these are RSTA units?
Also that is some great info on Clutch and Crankcase Tyroc. My question is if the Joes are indeed a Tier 1 unit (assuming they are) why would someone from another Tier 1 unit jump over to them? It seems like a lateral move. I have seen the case for others Joes being from Delta. So far the list looks like: Flint Clutch Crankcase Low-Light Hawk (from AF) Spirit (from AF) Anyone else? |
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