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06-02-2015, 08:42 PM | #19511 |
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It's true that infantry platoon leaders and recon scouts are trained to call for fire support, and though there is a lot of crossover in skills between FOs and JTACs, here are some general guidelines for their use:
A USAF TACP supports an Army Infantry Battalion and a USMC TACP supports a Marine Infantry Battalion. Both teams consist of JTACs or FACs (Marine JTACs) whose primary responsibility is close air support (CAS): directing aircraft bombs and rockets on enemy targets. An Army FO team supports an Army Rifle Platoon and a Marine JFO team supports a Marine Rifle Company. Both teams consist of fire support specialists whose primary responsibility is artillery coordination: directing mortars, howitzers, and naval gunfire to destroy observed enemy targets. A USMC Fire Control Team (FCT) is an ANGLICO unit that supports a non-USMC force, such as an Army Rifle Company. Larger ANGLICO units such as a SALT, Brigade Platoon, and Division Cell support a battalion, brigade, and division respectively. These teams consist of FACs whose primary responsibility is CAS and joint artillery coordination. An Army Pathfinder team consists of airborne- and pathfinder-qualified infantryman that provide in-field air traffic control for Army helicopter companies. A USAF Combat Control Team (CCT) consists of combat controllers that provide in-field air traffic control for SOF helicopters and airplanes and close air support for SOF units, such as Ranger Platoons, Special Forces Detachments, SEAL Platoons, and Special Mission Units. |
06-02-2015, 09:29 PM | #19512 |
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I'm actually not too familiar with the South American Joes. If anything I would probably (in my Joe-verse) make them foreign spec ops teams that sometimes perform missions alongside the Joes (or vice versa). I'll have to familiarize myself with them. I'll probably do the same with Skymate as well (forcing myself to find two Joes to fill my HALO Troop). Quote:
It's true that infantry platoon leaders and recon scouts are trained to call for fire support, and though there is a lot of crossover in skills between FOs and JTACs, here are some general guidelines for their use:
A USAF TACP supports an Army Infantry Battalion and a USMC TACP supports a Marine Infantry Battalion. Both teams consist of JTACs or FACs (Marine JTACs) whose primary responsibility is close air support (CAS): directing aircraft bombs and rockets on enemy targets. An Army FO team supports an Army Rifle Platoon and a Marine JFO team supports a Marine Rifle Company. Both teams consist of fire support specialists whose primary responsibility is artillery coordination: directing mortars, howitzers, and naval gunfire to destroy observed enemy targets. A USMC Fire Control Team (FCT) is an ANGLICO unit that supports a non-USMC force, such as an Army Rifle Company. Larger ANGLICO units such as a SALT, Brigade Platoon, and Division Cell support a battalion, brigade, and division respectively. These teams consist of FACs whose primary responsibility is CAS and joint artillery coordination. An Army Pathfinder team consists of airborne- and pathfinder-qualified infantryman that provide in-field air traffic control for Army helicopter companies. A USAF Combat Control Team (CCT) consists of combat controllers that provide in-field air traffic control for SOF helicopters and airplanes and close air support for SOF units, such as Ranger Platoons, Special Forces Detachments, SEAL Platoons, and Special Mission Units. So thus far we have the following Joes as FO's: Grunt Duke Crazy Legs Pathfinder And if one makes Airwave a Combat Controller and the artillery Joes (Grand Slam, Thunder and Long Range v1) as 13F's then that makes four additional. Am I missing anyone? |
06-02-2015, 09:57 PM | #19513 |
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A JFO is essentially an FO trained to call for joint fire support from military branches other than his own. An FO can still call for fire from a Navy ship but a JFO is has more training in joint operations. A JFO can also provide target info to a JTAC for type 2 and 3 CAS.
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06-02-2015, 10:59 PM | #19514 |
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You forgot Bombstrike. John Shaft. I forgot Pathfinder was FO as well. Although I see him more Jungle Recon than anything. As far as Artillery guys go what about the Mortar guys and the Tank driver officers like Steeler, and Major Storm? Both list artillery as an MOS. Then there is Major Barrage. Not sure what Heavy-duty is supposed to be as an indirect fire infantryman.
Awesome list Tanksmasher. made my day
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06-02-2015, 11:09 PM | #19515 |
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Do you have a separate Forward Observer team?
A separate JTAC team? A separate ANGLICO team? I could see this being a great use for the Joes in the modern battlefield as Fire Support / Air Support boots on the ground / Combat Controllers This whole group of modern operators is sort of underrepresented. I am even a little unaware of who does what. It's not like there are only Air Combat Controllers going on every mission. The Army has it's own assets to do the same things. So Airwave is probably a 18E. Dial-Tone made the jump to Special FOrces in the Brazil Con set. Recoil looks like another SF 18E to me Breaker? Sneak-Peek? WHite-out? I assume the techie Computer specialists are all radio operators as well: Mainframe, Hi-Tech, Sgt Hacker, Hard Drive, Firewall. What about the Laser guys like Red-Spot and now Sightline. Seems like there would be a COLT team as well or would that mix in with Forward Observers? What about Artillery Coordinators like Grunt and Duke? Then what about all the recon types who get some of this same training? Quote:
You forgot Bombstrike. John Shaft. I forgot Pathfinder was FO as well. Although I see him more Jungle Recon than anything. As far as Artillery guys go what about the Mortar guys and the Tank driver officers like Steeler, and Major Storm? Both list artillery as an MOS. Not sure what Heavy-duty is supposed to be as an indirect fire infantryman.
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06-03-2015, 07:42 AM | #19516 |
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A JFO is essentially an FO trained to call for joint fire support from military branches other than his own. An FO can still call for fire from a Navy ship but a JFO is has more training in joint operations. A JFO can also provide target info to a JTAC for type 2 and 3 CAS.
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You forgot Bombstrike. John Shaft. I forgot Pathfinder was FO as well. Although I see him more Jungle Recon than anything. As far as Artillery guys go what about the Mortar guys and the Tank driver officers like Steeler, and Major Storm? Both list artillery as an MOS. Then there is Major Barrage. Not sure what Heavy-duty is supposed to be as an indirect fire infantryman.
Awesome list Tanksmasher. made my day For the environment-specific Joes I still feel like they need a skill besides being proficient in a jungle, desert, arctic, etc climate/environment. I also feel that way about Joes that are proficient in a certain type of weapon (such as Rock'n'Roll with a machine gun, Savlo with anti-tank missiles. etc). I would definitely keep Pathfinder as being "jungle-savy" but as an FO he increases his usefulness in any environment. I forgot about Major's Storm and Barrage. I would definitely add them to the list. Even the mortar guys as well (Short-Fuze and Downtown). I consider Heavy Duty an indirect-fire infantryman so he could definitely have served as an FO at some point. In regards to Steeler I really enjoyed Zuludelta's take on him: serving on a Cavalry unit and attending the Joint Fires Observer school. The list keeps growing for FO's, which I think is a good thing. I read somewhere that the Army is looking to expand their number of FO's. |
06-03-2015, 08:54 AM | #19517 |
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My two cents-
18A: 180A: Major Altitude 18Z: Skydive 18F: Altitude 18B: Drop Zone 18B: 18C: Ripcord 18C: Static Line 18D: Air Raid (SP Airborne) 18D: 18E: Airwave 18E: I fill in the open slots with the other paratrooper guys but I haven't come up with a good 18A yet Last edited by Topside; 06-03-2015 at 08:56 AM.. |
06-03-2015, 09:52 AM | #19518 |
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Did you bump SkyDive up to E-9? I would suggest Rapid-Fire for 18A? I like Major ALtitude here but I still like him as a pilot.
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06-03-2015, 09:54 AM | #19519 |
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Again, thanks for the clarification! I did read somewhere that a few other MOS's besides the 13F can train as a JFO, but priority is given to 13F's.
You are correct, I did forget her. In my Joe-verse I don't know what to do with her character, as I am trying to keep it real as possible. I believe women are not allowed as FO's though (someone correct me if I am wrong). For the environment-specific Joes I still feel like they need a skill besides being proficient in a jungle, desert, arctic, etc climate/environment. I also feel that way about Joes that are proficient in a certain type of weapon (such as Rock'n'Roll with a machine gun, Savlo with anti-tank missiles. etc). I would definitely keep Pathfinder as being "jungle-savy" but as an FO he increases his usefulness in any environment. I forgot about Major's Storm and Barrage. I would definitely add them to the list. Even the mortar guys as well (Short-Fuze and Downtown). I consider Heavy Duty an indirect-fire infantryman so he could definitely have served as an FO at some point. In regards to Steeler I really enjoyed Zuludelta's take on him: serving on a Cavalry unit and attending the Joint Fires Observer school. The list keeps growing for FO's, which I think is a good thing. I read somewhere that the Army is looking to expand their number of FO's. Rock'n'Roll is another one of those guys who looks good as a Special FOrces Weapons Sgt. Zulu's take was amazing. Especially with the Beard. I agree about the environment Joes having a universal Skill aside from climate. How do you factor in the Joes who have a Training MOS then? It would seem useful foreign INternal Defense tasks in the wheelhouse of both MARSOC and SF
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