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05-31-2015, 08:19 AM | #19491 |
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I don't have a clue what quals any of those guys would have, but remember that SE and Stalker et al had an intermediate step. They worked LRRPs, and then (or perhaps concurrently) they worked for SOG. Only later did they work for Joe. To give it a modern parallel, perhaps people worked as Rangers or in one of the surveillance units. Then they did a stint with JSOC, where they picked up one or two more interesting quals. Then they ended up in Joe, where there's yet more opportunity to get high speed courses.
As for combining mil and police units, that's already sort of happening, with the FBI HRT having people kicking in doors alongside Delta, and likely also collecting evidence and exercising powers of arrest, which Delta doesn't have. Inside the FBI’s secret relationship with the military’s special operations - The Washington Post Quote:
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LRSU and RRC both derive their lineage from LRP but LRSU's role is closer to LRP than RRC because it is a divisional asset that operates beyond the range of artillery whereas the RRC is a recon asset for the 75th Regiment. LRPs became designated Rangers in the 70s but a modern non-recon Ranger isn't the equivalent of a LRP so it's confusing.
Also, even though I haven't seen a TOE for RRC I doubt one team specializes in both scuba and HALO. Usually specializes in one or the other. This reduces the retraining time of the unit. Even Special Forces Detachments are trained in one type or the other insertion skill. |
05-31-2015, 12:38 PM | #19492 |
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Ahh thanks! Even being a jump instructor he may not necessarily be HALO-qualified. I will have to do some checking out to see if this is the case or not.
I read someplace that Delta might have been involved with the Branch Davidian raid in Waco all those years ago. No one has ever confirmed this. It sounds like if it is true then the government keeps it under their hat. I'll have to read Chuckles and Faces filecards again, I always thought they were Army? If I remember correctly Chuckles is kind of vague though, as in we don't really know who he works for. Thanks for the clarification! The wiki article on RRC makes it seem like all members are both HALO and SCUBA qualified. The article on LRS's is a lot more clearer and specifically states there are separate SCUBA, HALO and Mountain detachments.
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06-01-2015, 06:32 PM | #19493 |
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That's a really good point on that. Also I know it has been mentioned previously that Ripcord should probably be Special Forces as well due to being military free fall qualified and his demotions skills (SF Engineer). I feel that most of the Joes who are MFF-qualified should come from some sort of special operations background. I don't believe they teach that to any MOS due to the limited number of spots and most not needing that skill. That leads me to the Sky Patrol group. We already know Drop Zone is former Special Forces but what about the other five? I was thinking Airwave would either be SF Communications or USAF Combat Controller. Static Line would be SF Engineer and Airborne (v2) maybe a SF Medic? Where does everyone else assign them? |
06-01-2015, 08:19 PM | #19494 |
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That's a really good point on that.
Also I know it has been mentioned previously that Ripcord should probably be Special Forces as well due to being military free fall qualified and his demotions skills (SF Engineer). I feel that most of the Joes who are MFF-qualified should come from some sort of special operations background. I don't believe they teach that to any MOS due to the limited number of spots and most not needing that skill. That leads me to the Sky Patrol group. We already know Drop Zone is former Special Forces but what about the other five? I was thinking Airwave would either be SF Communications or USAF Combat Controller. Static Line would be SF Engineer and Airborne (v2) maybe a SF Medic? Where does everyone else assign them? As for Delta and Waco, if they were there it was probably only as observers (I have a mental image of Beltway rivalries getting in the way of cooperation), and the take-away was probably "let's not EVER do any op that way. Ever." |
06-01-2015, 08:30 PM | #19495 |
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I haven't given that a lot of serious consideration. Airwave totally seems like Combat Controllers. (same with Jammer) Airborne SF Medic and Static Line SF Engineer seem like naturals. My biggest problem has always been the fact Skydive is not the highest ranking. I had bumped him to O-3 for a while but now I've swapped him with Altitude as E-9. Not sure which I like more. Skydive is all Ranger to me. Same with Altitude.
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06-01-2015, 08:36 PM | #19496 |
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That's a really good point on that.
Also I know it has been mentioned previously that Ripcord should probably be Special Forces as well due to being military free fall qualified and his demotions skills (SF Engineer). I feel that most of the Joes who are MFF-qualified should come from some sort of special operations background. I don't believe they teach that to any MOS due to the limited number of spots and most not needing that skill. That leads me to the Sky Patrol group. We already know Drop Zone is former Special Forces but what about the other five? I was thinking Airwave would either be SF Communications or USAF Combat Controller. Static Line would be SF Engineer and Airborne (v2) maybe a SF Medic? Where does everyone else assign them?
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06-01-2015, 09:51 PM | #19497 |
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That's a really good point on that.
Also I know it has been mentioned previously that Ripcord should probably be Special Forces as well due to being military free fall qualified and his demotions skills (SF Engineer). I feel that most of the Joes who are MFF-qualified should come from some sort of special operations background. I don't believe they teach that to any MOS due to the limited number of spots and most not needing that skill. That leads me to the Sky Patrol group. We already know Drop Zone is former Special Forces but what about the other five? I was thinking Airwave would either be SF Communications or USAF Combat Controller. Static Line would be SF Engineer and Airborne (v2) maybe a SF Medic? Where does everyone else assign them? 18B Drop Zone 18C Static-line 18D Airborne 18E Airwave 18F Skydive |
06-01-2015, 10:42 PM | #19498 |
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So what would Altitude be? 18Z?
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06-02-2015, 02:03 AM | #19499 |
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I have Sky Patrol down as an elite airborne pathfinder/strike element.
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06-02-2015, 07:50 AM | #19500 |
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Does anyone include the other paratroopers in Sky Patrol? Ripcord, Freefall, Crazylegs, Airborne, Star-Duster, Barrel Roll? Then there is Manleh and Stormavik and Big Bear? Who am I missing?
I leave the Russians out but include all them plus Sneak-Peek, and add Rapid-Fire as commander and Countdown as Air-Liason officer. I suppose I should add Bombstrike but maybe not. If Crazy-Legs is listed as Forward Observer would that make him a radio guy?
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