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04-20-2015, 03:26 PM | #19411 |
Hog Driver
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Yes an army squad usually has at least one soldier qualified as a DM.
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04-21-2015, 02:02 AM | #19412 |
Commando
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ISTR the Marine Fire-team or Rifle Team (i think they call it) is a team leader/grenadier, DM, a machine-gunner and a signaller. I think I read the Army's is similar.
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04-23-2015, 02:59 AM | #19413 |
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I don't use him as the Commander, but he shows up from time to time...
Basically, Officers in my Sub-Teams aren't permenantly assigned. My Sub-Teams all fall under my JOE-SOC (Special Operations Command). There's a LOT of overlap, obviously. So, some of the enlisted guys only appear on the roster of one Sub-Team... those are the guys listed as permenantly assigned to that sub-team. Take Crazy Legs for example. He's only in Night Force. Wild Bill, on the other hand, is in both Night Force and Tiger Force, so he's a floater. He works for whichever team needs him at the time. Flint is the CW-5 for the entire Joe Team. He shows up in whichever uniform he needs to. He's on every team. Same for Duke as the CSM for the entire Team. SO, yeah, Duke and Flint are on Tiger Force, but they only show up there when they've got work to do with Tiger Force... "Hey Guys, here's your tasking from higher. We're here to make sure everything gets done, and all the objectives are met, and maybe even collect some intel we can't really tell you about." That sort of thing. Falcon is the "go to" Captain for any Special Operations team. He goes where he's needed. He's like the "Company Commander" and all the Sub-Teams are his platoons. He's got a uniform for all of them. Claymore is a ghost. That guy shows up like the wind. Invisible. Blows your house down. Was never there. He shows up, takes charge and gets what needs to get done, done. And then he's gone. So, yeah, he works with Tiger Force alot, cause he's really good in the Jungle (Mission Brazil), but then he might be sent to Sandboxistan next month to work with a group of Joes in the desert. Or he might show up in Eastern Europe to help a group of Action Force Joes smuggle arms to the Russion Resistance in the Ukraine... but no one ever heard of him. I use Rapid-Fire similarly. He's a little more Commando and a little less spy than Claymore, but they're similar. I use Officers like Sub-Zero, or Grid-Iron almost exclusively with conventional forces. Sub-Zero runs the Joe's cold-weather unit. Blizzard's the 1SG, Snowjob, Frostbite, Iceberg, etc... they're all the Operators for Cold Weather climates. But that's a niche'. Sub-Zero doesn't take off his coat and go help out in the tropics. Sub-Zero stays put. Grid-Iron the same way. He's the Commander of the "Ranger/airborne shock troops". He's a great Infantry Leader, and he does his job. Stays put. With his unit. Solid leader... but he might have his Rangers deployed and waiting around for an assignment one day, and Rapid-Fire shows up with a special tasking and takes 3 Rangers with him to complete an objective that's time sensitive, and then Rapid-Fire's gone to the next assignment. I hope that makes sense. I've got some customs in the pipeline of some of these guys and I think they're going to be fun.
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04-23-2015, 07:44 AM | #19414 |
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I get it. I probably use the sub-teams similarly I just think of it differently. Like you, my guys may rotate through different teams. But my figure choice may differ. Like crazylegs. He's Sky Patrol always. Muskrat is Jungle Team or as I call them Tiger-Force.
So what about any other officers? Gears for Battle Force? Lt Stone from extreme? (any Duke will do. I use Resolute Duke) Torpedo or Magnum? What about Wet-Down? You mentioned Action Force what about Skip or Eagle? Fairly easy customs.
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04-29-2015, 10:17 PM | #19415 |
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The only specific place I think Tiger Force would work is India. It just seems to fit in my mind... except I can't figure out why Frostbite (who actually looks like Snow Job) is there? Did the file-cards ever indicate why this team existed in the first place?
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04-30-2015, 02:10 AM | #19416 |
Commando
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fluff on the packaging from the ARAH days indicates they're a special unit using modified Joe vehicles and captured Cobra vehicles for perilous missions behind enemy lines. There's no specific mission involved. The fluff of course explains why they're using a Rattler and a Moccassin.
the fluff on the 2003 set says they're on a jungle mission to destroy a network of 'power bases' Cobra's set up to destroy cities around the world. |
04-30-2015, 03:21 PM | #19417 |
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I guess I just always put Tiger Force in a camo context, and the only place those uniforms might work is the same place that an actual tiger roams: India. Jungle camo, desert camo and urban camo I understand... but yellow and black tiger stripes? Egad! Special Missions: India, anyone?
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04-30-2015, 04:24 PM | #19418 |
W.O.R.M.S. Commander
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Yellow I hate more than anything. Would it kill someone to replace it with a more realistic Khaki Color? But Tiger FOrce to me seems like a sort of team name for all Joe Jungle operators.
There are Tigers in Sumatra, Vietnam, Russia as well. I never picture US forces in India, but Pakistan/Afghan Border yes. However that's all Mountains and desert no Jungle.
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04-30-2015, 06:52 PM | #19419 |
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always wondered....why would blizzard and frostbite who are arctic troopers get enrolled in tigerforce.and also why would the joes demean themselves by using captured cobra vehicles??? i mean us being No1 in the arms race and all...the joes would have the best of the fighting vehicles in the us army right??? Last edited by puma; 04-30-2015 at 06:55 PM.. |
04-30-2015, 06:54 PM | #19420 |
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According to Wikipedia the youngest 4-star general in the U.S. was Mark W. Clark when he was 49. He was born in 1896 and became a Brigadier General on Aug. 4th, 1941 (after skipping 2 pay grades in preparation for WWII). That would make him 45, so this means Hawk and the 2 General Flaggs (being such Real American Heroes) were probably close to this?
Side note: during wartime he was quickly promoted and became a Major General on Aug. 17th, 1942; Lt. General on Nov. 11th, 1942; and became the youngest 4-star General on Mar. 10th, 1945. Not a bad rise to fame! Also: James Gavin became a brigadier general at the age of 36 in Oct. 1943 and the Army's youngest major general in July 1943 for outstanding combat duty, making him younger than Clark when he achieved this pay grade. He retired as a Lt. General. Dean C. Strother was promoted to Brigadier General at 35. Way young (but no word on if he was the youngest). Edward J. Timberlake Jr. was promoted by the Air Force to Brigadier General at the young age of 33 for outstanding combat duty! And, last but not least, Garrison H. Davidson was promoted to Brigadier General at the age of 39. (I suppose Hawk and the 2 Flaggs could possibly have been close to these guys' ages at the same time of promotion, being so heroic and all?) Last note: A young Douglas MacArthur was 45 when he was promoted to Major General by the U.S. Army. Quote:
Nice Nero I have always wanted to know exactly how realistic the father/son being generals so close to each other. I will still treat them as brothers. Besides father/son relationships turn things soap opera-ey and make the father characters too old. Like Destro and Alexander plus age acceleration issues make it sloppy.
I think once you hit any General level you can go up in rank in no time. Generally speaking the rank goes with the job and time in grade has less weight. So you can even skip a grade if say you are the best in your field I believe. Quote:
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Yeah I think there is only 57 open general slots in all the US armed forces. I have to find that.
Once you hit Brigadier you are on a time limit towards retirement. All of the Colonels are trying to get those slots too. I wonder how that works for these guys who would be too young to necessarily retire. Plus Hawk has been O-7 for 30 years. Quote:
And yes, generals get promoted and moved to fill specific billets, but technically, all commissioned officers do, it is just that with flag rank, you have a much smaller number. With say, O-3s, you promote a few hundred (in the USMC anyway) every year, and there is more or less a rank specific billet for each one of these guys. Th difference between O-3 and O-7+ is that part way through the selection for promotion process, an O-3 dies/gets into legal trouble/just gets fed up and leaves the service unbeknownst to anyone in the selection process, meaning they usually promote a few more than necessary knowing that some guys will leave the service. Not really the case with generals, they don't promote an extra colonel or navy captain to flag just in case. They have alternates lists as well, so if a couple months after promotion General Bagodonutz gets caught with a dead girl or live boy on film and quickly "decides" to retire, there is some colonel licking his chops with schadenfreude over his chance. With retirement, all ranks have service limitations. First, the services have an up or out policy for all ranks up to and including 0-4. If you don't get promoted, you leave the service, retirement eligible or not. If you get O-4, you can stay to 20 but not a day more. The guys that really get screwed are captains with enlisted time, they might have 16 -17 years between officer and enlisted time and fail selection for O-4 and can either revert back to enlisted rank to reach 20, or they just get out of the service a couple years short of pension. Realistically, no one since WWII makes general before retirement age, and even Jumping Jim Gavin (a personal hero of mine), would have had his 20 in before getting booted if they didn't need him for Maj General. Any given general might not be desiring to retire, but we are talking about retiring at maybe 30 years vice 32 years of service. These days, highly unlikely for father and son to be general at the same time. I have served with several generals and their sons, but their sons were the same rank as me. Although, as you might suspect, a general's son does have a leg up on promotion, if nothing else, he has a close advisor who can help him play the games to get ahead. |
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