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12-27-2014, 10:01 AM | #19181 |
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I doubt whoever wrote Falcon's card put this much thought into it, but I have a theory. Going by the years that they were released and the fact that Duke has been established as Falcon's older brother I'd say that Duke is somewhere around 4-5 years older than Falcon at least, maybe more. . . . Falcon became a Green Beret and was part of Blue Light Group, which I believe was the precursor to Delta Force before becoming a Joe. It kind of fits with his 87 movie persona where he started off as an underachiever and in the end redeemed himself.
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As the son of a green beret I can see Falcon picking up Spanish from Hispanic kids on base and French at an international school during an overseas posting. Or maybe it was Arabic during an overseas posting, though I'm not aware of green berets doing any advisory missions in the Middle East in the 60s or 70s. |
12-27-2014, 11:29 AM | #19182 |
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I never got the impression that Falcon was a Vietnam vet. Maybe his father was? I tend to completely ignore the Falcon\Duke sibling aspect. That is only part of the movie and nothing to do with Hama.
I bet Hama wrote both filecards, but then why would he make them so similar? More likely would be the guys who wrote Claymore's filecard wrote Falcons, just to make them over the top. I'm surprised neither of Falcon or Stalker or Duke speaks Russian. Language training is a requirement for Green Berets and I think they have to become proficient in at least two languages. Arabic I get for any of the 80's Joes . Terrorism originating from the Middle East was just becoming mainstream. All those languages are written with the Arabic Alphabet. Growing up in Pakistan for a good chunk of the 80's the threat of terrorism was always in the back of our minds. I even moved into a house where the previous inhabitant was killed by terrorist during a Hijacking. Swahili I always assumed Stalker picked because it is one of the more commonly spoken African languages although English or French would make the most sense. As far as Bazooka getting EOD training. I imagine the Joes like Delta are allowed to side train in anything they think would be useful. As a guy who handles extremely high explosives he might be a natural fit to crosstrain in Explosive Disposal as well just to fit the Story. I've read of Delta Guys learning to Ride Motorcross because they thought it might come in handy. And one thing that Delta (Which I think is just the Joes in this universe), Green Berets, and SEALS is these guys all know how to learn things quickly and become experts in a short amount of time. There are no dummies in any of these units. All of them are over-achievers.
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12-27-2014, 04:10 PM | #19183 |
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I apologise. I re-read Falcon's filecard and the snake-biter thing is what made me think SE Asia.
Falcon's language skills mostly make sense for him being in 5th SFG, they're aimed at the Horn of Africa, the Mid East and Central Asia. Swahili and Arabic fit the Horn and the Mid East. French makes some sense for Djibouti and Lebanon and Syria. Spain.... eh, not so much... Duke was French and German fluent when he enlisted. so that's just showing off. As for Stalker, he probably learned Spanish on the street from gang-members. The others might stem from his SFG assignment, if we assume he's actually USASF. as for his group, that's anyone's guess since his first figure has no flash and the subsequent figures use gold, blue and red. which is three different SFGs! |
12-27-2014, 09:21 PM | #19184 |
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So maybe here's an answer to my question: Falcon and Stalker were both in 5th Group, so were exposed to the same languages for regional requirements. To reconcile the issue of Stalker being a "Ranger," he was Ranger qualified before doing the LRRP business in Vietnam (before they were rolled into Ranger regiments), then was in a Direct Action company in 5th Group (I have no idea when those were formed) so was doing more "ranger-style" work than traditional FID.
To take things a step further, if you wish to follow the thread that Falcon and Duke are related, then Falcone pere was a Green Beret in Europe (possibly with the det in Berlin) when the sons were boys. Duke picked up French and German. Falcon, being younger so in lower grades in school, only picked up French. A little later, upon return to the States he picked up Hispanic Spanish. I can already see a story line with the elder Falcone smoking Gauloises and calling his sons a pair of pussies . . . |
12-28-2014, 01:32 AM | #19185 |
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Well, I swung and missed on that one. However I will say in defense of Duke and Falcon being brothers that besides the 87 movie, this was also referenced in an episode of Renegades. Renegades is only a few years old, so I think you can consider them being brothers canon as far as Hasbro is concerned. I try to include only details that there is some kind of precedent for. The only thing that has been disavowed by Hasbro is the Devils Due comics right?
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12-28-2014, 03:01 AM | #19186 |
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yes, afaik
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12-28-2014, 10:30 AM | #19187 |
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Now I would love to read that Lowtech. I am imagining the old School Nick Fury.
I tend to separate the comics from the cartoons. Renegades threw that out there again which I found more believable as Duke was much younger. Based on Filecards Duke is probably 15 years older than Falcon. The cartoons make them seem like 8 to 10 years apart. I've become a little more receptive to the idea which could only be cemented by a good story. Duke's father appears in the DDP comics as part of a ploy by Interrogator to trick Duke into something. Mr Hauser is a hippie anti government sissy pants. I couldn't imagine a worse back story character. I can't remember if Duke's parents were shown in the original series. I know they kept up the brotherhood in theDiC years like when Duke has to rescue Falcon with the Crimson guard because he is strung out on Headman's drugs.
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12-29-2014, 04:30 AM | #19188 |
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The way I reconcile it in my 'verse is that Duke and Falcon are first cousins. Their grand father is an SAS officer who had at least 2 daughters, one married the peace-nik hippie Hauser and the other married a Green Beret stationed in Europe. (Action Force continuity, Falcon's grandfather was SAS).
Duke's mom being born in Europe and probably having gone to a posh school (being an officer's daughter) could explain why Duke was raised to be fluent in 3 languages. Sometime later Falcon's parents were killed in a car crash, leading the Hausers to adopt the orphaned Vincent. So Falcon goes from cousin to "little brother". "Grand Pa" was the one who inspired Conrad Hauser to go against his hippie dad and artist mom (DDP continuity) and join the military, adopting his Grandfather's nickname as his call sign....or maybe he liked John Wayne... |
12-29-2014, 09:57 AM | #19189 |
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The way I reconcile it in my 'verse is that Duke and Falcon are first cousins. Their grand father is an SAS officer who had at least 2 daughters, one married the peace-nik hippie Hauser and the other married a Green Beret stationed in Europe. (Action Force continuity, Falcon's grandfather was SAS).
Duke's mom being born in Europe and probably having gone to a posh school (being an officer's daughter) could explain why Duke was raised to be fluent in 3 languages. Sometime later Falcon's parents were killed in a car crash, leading the Hausers to adopt the orphaned Vincent. So Falcon goes from cousin to "little brother". "Grand Pa" was the one who inspired Conrad Hauser to go against his hippie dad and artist mom (DDP continuity) and join the military, adopting his Grandfather's nickname as his call sign....or maybe he liked John Wayne... As a piece of obscure trivia, there really was an SAS officer with the nickname "Duke." Major Richard Pirie commanded B Sqn in Oman, and was later killed in a car crash in France (Operation Jaguar (Oman); - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 22 SAS Pirie, Richard Mitchell (The Duke) [Archive] - Special Forces - Roll Of Honour) |
12-29-2014, 10:43 AM | #19190 |
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Thanks Low Tech. For some reason I thought the text said that Falcon Sr married an SAS officer's daughter but the Action Force profile makes no mention of it..
Edit - Okay now I remember, I was reading a few books about Delta, one by Charlie Beckwith and the other by Eric Haney and they both mention that one of the Special Forces guys who became part of the original Delta was sent on exchange with the SAS and married the daughter of either one of the officers or the Sergeant Majors (which in the Commonwealth is a Warrant Officer) Last edited by Tyroc; 12-29-2014 at 10:45 AM.. |
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