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02-19-2014, 03:44 PM | #19071 |
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I love my Joe Armor. The problem I run into is there is not enough Drivers. There is no realistic use for the Joes to have Armor besides small vehicles. I suppose some drivers can pull double duty Armor and Motor vehicle operator, like Cross-Country; who can drive the HAVOC which I use as an Urban Assault Transport; the Battle Wagon, I use as a Fast Attack vehicle; and now the HAVOC Mark II which I see as a Light Armor vehicle.
Not to mention the Joes would have Battle Force Tech Team Mask 2000. (RHINO and ROCC) There is only so many armored vehicles that I feel make up the Joe armor attack team.
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02-19-2014, 03:50 PM | #19072 |
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My Armor drivers are all cross-qualified on all the vehicles. They mostly use Armadillos and other light armor vehicles but can form tank crews as needed.
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02-19-2014, 05:19 PM | #19073 |
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Here is my Joe Armor (Usually led by Gen Flagg III)
Steeler - MOBAT Thunderwing -MOBAT Tollbooth - Bridgelayer Cover-Girl - Wolverine Hotseat - Raider Heavy-Metal - Mauler Switch Gears - Grizzly Knockdown - Sky Sweeper Steam Roller - MMC The problem then is the Equalizer and the Brawler have no drivers, not to mention the Half Dozen Armadillos that round out the Troop. I might have a few Battle Bunkers to round out the Unit.
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02-19-2014, 05:26 PM | #19074 |
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For my Joeverse, the armor is mission specific.
They wouldn't be running Mobats, Maulers and Equalizers at the same time. So the drivers can crew-up. Don't have the full structure yet, but Steeler would command one crew/squadron and Heavy Metal another.
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02-21-2014, 01:06 PM | #19075 |
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Just busy, my friend. I'm at a new job and I'm working on my doctorate degree. I hope y'all are doing well, and I'm glad to see this thread still going.
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I love my Joe Armor. The problem I run into is there is not enough Drivers. There is no realistic use for the Joes to have Armor besides small vehicles. I suppose some drivers can pull double duty Armor and Motor vehicle operator, like Cross-Country; who can drive the HAVOC which I use as an Urban Assault Transport; the Battle Wagon, I use as a Fast Attack vehicle; and now the HAVOC Mark II which I see as a Light Armor vehicle.
Not to mention the Joes would have Battle Force Tech Team Mask 2000. (RHINO and ROCC) There is only so many armored vehicles that I feel make up the Joe armor attack team. I love Joe Armor. I have three companies of Patriot Grizzly's... that's a lot of Tanks. You're right, finding drivers is the problem. Thanks goodness for Dollar General Green/Grey Shirts. I structure my Joe Team at different levels of elite troops. I mean, their ostensibly tasked with dealing with Cobra, and Cobra is huge. If the Joes have their own aircraft carrier and figher jets... it doesn't seem crazy to me that they would need an armor column that can match the Hiss tanks. And I have a LOT of Hiss tanks. For me, Steeler is the Joe Armor Commander. He's the only armor officer in G.I.Joe - so, I promoted him to Major. Other Tank Drivers are great, but they're not officers. So to me, they all work under Steeler.
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02-21-2014, 02:11 PM | #19076 |
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Is that 36 Grizzlies? 4 to a platoon 3 platoons to a company? Wow!
Major Storm is an Armor Officer. So is Thunderwing. I like to think Gen Flagg is as well. He has that Patton quality about him.
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02-21-2014, 04:16 PM | #19077 |
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02-21-2014, 05:01 PM | #19078 |
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02-21-2014, 05:09 PM | #19079 |
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"Hoarding versus Collecting. How to convince your spouse of the benefits inherent in adult toy collections." by Dr. Capt. Pastor Oliver.
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02-21-2014, 06:28 PM | #19080 |
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I envision the Joes set up like a Marine MEU. That's a 2200 man unit. However this allows for an Aircraft Carrier and an Air Combat Wing, with Helicopters and Jets. You could shrink this down to say an all land vehicle command unit. (The MCC coupled with the General, Thunderclap, Rolling Thunder and a ROCC)
At the heart of this unit is a Ground Combat Element about half of the strength of the unit at 1000 men. This is comprised of an infantry Battalion (lets say 500 greenshirts) reinforced with a Tank Platoon (4 Tanks) as well as a 7-16 vehicle Light Armored Reconnaissance Company, Artillery battery, and a reconnaissance company. This reconnaissance company is the what I think is the core idea of what is close to a G.I.Joe unit. This is the Marine Special Mission Capable unit with in the MEU. Maritime Special Purpose Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This could be 350 men, but I like to think the Joes can do things on the cheap with less. It relies on the main body for logistical support but it has small units within itself that fit many of the roles Joes fill. It even has a SEAL team included in a nice little bow. Command Element Commander, MSPF Team(s), Communications Detachment Team(s), Human Exploitation Team (HET) Team(s), Medical Section Team(s), Intelligence section from MEU(SOC) Security Element The security element is normally structured around a platoon provided by the Battalion Landing Team (BLT) and may be augmented by the Naval Special Warfare Task Units (NSWTU) embarked within the Amphibious Ready Group. The security element will act as a reinforcing unit, a support unit, a diversionary unit, or an extraction unit. Rifle Platoon (-) (reinforced) Sea, Air, and Land (SEAL) Strike Platoon, NSWTU, Amphibious Squadron (PHIBRON) (as required) Assault Element (AE) The AE is the main effort of the MSPF and is organized to perform assault, explosive breaching, internal security, and sniper functions. The assault function will normally be executed by the Force Recon detachment. Mission-specific augmentation (e.g., additional sniper support, specialized demolitions, explosive ordnance disposal, signals intelligence/electronic warfare (SIGINT/EW), etc.) will be provided from other MEU(SOC) assets or from the NSWTU embarked with the ARG. Detachment, Force Recon Direct Action Platoon (DAP) Team(s), Security, Fleet Antiterrorism Security Team (FAST) Company Team, Explosives Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Detachment Team(s), Combat Photo Detachment Reconnaissance and Surveillance Element (R&S) The Reconnaissance and Surveillance Element normally consists of the Scout Sniper Platoon from the Battalion Landing Team. Team(s), Scout Sniper Platoon Team(s), Radio Reconnaissance Team (Signals Intelligence) Support Element (You could swap or add just about any unit that you like if it doesn't fit in the main body) The support element normally is composed of assets from the BLT Reconnaissance Platoon coupled with elements of the Aviation Combat Element (ACE), Radio Battalion Detachment, Communications Detachment, and HET assets from the MEU(SOC) CE. Additional capability may be provided by the NSWTU embarked with the Amphibious Ready Group. Team(s), Reconnaissance Team(s), Communications Detachment Team(s), Radio Battalion Detachment Team(s), HET Detachment NSWTU, PHIBRON (as required) Aviation Support Element And going back to the main Combat Element just looking at the cool vehicles they deploy you could swap all out for a joe vehicle of your choice and still cover many of the vehicles without the unit getting too big. Qty Nomenclature 4 M1A1 main battle tank 7-16 Light Armored Vehicle 15 Assault Amphibious Vehicle 6 155mm howitzer: M777 8 M252 81mm mortar 8 BGM-71 (TOW) missile system 8 FGM-148 Javelin anti-tank missile 4-6 AH-1W SuperCobra attack helicopters 3 UH-1N Twin Huey utility helicopter 12 CH-46E Sea Knight medium lift assault helicopter 4 CH-53E Super Stallion heavy lift assault helicopter 6 AV-8B Harrier jet aviation 2 KC-130 Hercules re-fueler/transport aircraft Note: usually maintained in the continental United States
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