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03-09-2013, 03:47 PM | #18541 |
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So is everyone using Flint as SF primarily, and a helicopter pilot as his secondary, or pilot first, SF second? Or do you omit one of those MOSs all together?
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03-09-2013, 04:00 PM | #18542 |
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I like to use him more as an OIC of helicopter operations.
In my world, the whole GI Joe team is already a separate entity of special operations, so they don't get grouped into SF, SEAL, etc... within the GI Joe team.
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03-09-2013, 05:05 PM | #18543 |
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he's more or less my Ops guy. he's in my C3I unit third in the chain of command below Hawk and Colton.
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03-10-2013, 01:08 AM | #18544 |
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I only use him as SF. He falls in under Hawk's American/Action Force team of Airborne SF/LRS Recon. Why a guy would go To Flight Warrant Officer School and not go down the Helicopter career path makes no sense but I guess Flint is an exceptional individual.
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03-11-2013, 10:13 AM | #18545 |
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Flint is my top bad-ass on the Joeteam.
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03-11-2013, 11:56 AM | #18546 |
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it actuallyu changes session to sesion how I use flint...I use stone as the by the boks guy who actually ties teh joes hands regulation wise. the rest of the joes hate him.
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03-11-2013, 10:54 PM | #18547 |
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In my 'verse, Flint was a Ranger who later went for his Flight Warrant training and then joined the 160th SOAR(A) Night Stalkers, where he became one of the top mission planners. On the Joe team, he does double duty: he acts as a mission planner and field leader on the ground, and can either be a pilot/ co-pilot on a regular mission, or fly an enemy chopper out in a behind-the -lines type of mission (see Special Missions 3, after a fashion). That explains the black beret and the piloting skills, IMHO. However, I don't ever recall seeing him fly in the Marvel run. Lady Jaye was a pilot in the comics, but not on her filecard.
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03-11-2013, 11:20 PM | #18548 |
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Since I like the dual MOS and it makes no sense to have him serve as a helicoper WO and an enlisted SF, I decided that after he served a tour with the 160th, he went through the SF WO Technical Certification course, worked for a while as an Ast Det CO before joining up with the Joe Team. However, in writing up his bio I was wondering what he did before SF. Did he enlist as an 18X or did he serve in another MOS for a couple of years and then try out for SF when he was an E-4. He could have served as an infantryman with the 75th, went to Ranger School right before promotion to SGT, and then decided to go SF. But Flint is so smart, I imagine he would have done something more challenging, say perhaps a Forward Observer for the Regiment. Then, with his previous Fire Support skills, helicopter qualifications and SF experience (18C Engineer is what I chose)--he'd be a triple threat.
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03-12-2013, 02:14 AM | #18549 |
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Since I like the dual MOS and it makes no sense to have him serve as a helicoper WO and an enlisted SF, I decided that after he served a tour with the 160th, he went through the SF WO Technical Certification course, worked for a while as an Ast Det CO before joining up with the Joe Team. However, in writing up his bio I was wondering what he did before SF. Did he enlist as an 18X or did he serve in another MOS for a couple of years and then try out for SF when he was an E-4. He could have served as an infantryman with the 75th, went to Ranger School right before promotion to SGT, and then decided to go SF. But Flint is so smart, I imagine he would have done something more challenging, say perhaps a Forward Observer for the Regiment. Then, with his previous Fire Support skills, helicopter qualifications and SF experience (18C Engineer is what I chose)--he'd be a triple threat.
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I think we mean 180A SF Warrant Officer?
But Flint as a 18C would be a good fit. But I suppose he could have went to Flight Warrant Officer School and then back to SFs as a 180a. But then would he have to do further 180A training? I don't know how that differs, other than a little more Intelligence and Operations courses. However, it would probably be more likely he was just smart enough that they sent him to Flight Warrant Officers school to further enhances his already impressive skills and he came back as he was already a Warrant Officer to begin with. Quote:
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Yeah, how I see it, there might not have had an opening for an 180A, and he saw an opening at Flight Warrant Officer School, opted for that and then side stepped back over to Green Berets once their was an opening again. I always likened Flint to be the anti-Rambo, because he learned his way rather than fought his way to the top (Maybe Im combining Rambo and Rocky but I havent been impressed to watch his movies yet).
I disliked the voice actor choices for Spytroops and Valor vs. Venom that made "Flint" sound like Rambo). So yeah, I got a mental picture during "Green Zone". Flint leading Airtight, Flash, Tripwire, TunnelRat, Lightfoot, Clean Sweep and Ozone, a bunch of EOD and NBC guys searching for Cobra's WMD's. So here's an update on a possible timetable for mid-80's Flint timeline I'm still trying to piece together (not Modern Era Joes). -Airborne 82nd or 101st (Pri-Cpl) -Then I would think Flint went to Ranger School (not 75th Ranger Reg.) -Green Berets as a 18C (Sgt-SSg) -Helicopter Pilot (WO1-CW2) -Side-stepped back to Green Berets as 180A (CW2-CW3) For drafted and led half dozen rescue missions -Then Joe Team. 84 Quote:
Everyone does their joeverse their own way. I go with Warrant Officer after flight school. A SF Warrant is a SME on all things SF. He's the knowledge base for the team and has to take a broader view of the SF mission than just his team. He's going know strategic goals that are "above the paygrade" of the average SF sergeant. The a lot of knowledge to keep current on by itself. To be a great pilot, you to fly and stay current. You're not going to have time to do both. SF groups don't have a need for 180A helicopter pilots. Their mission involves training lightly equipped irregular militia to overthrow governments hostile to us. The militias rarely have any air assets to employ. Unlike DELTA or DEVGRU, SF doesn't need to use be a pilot as a cover. Also, DELTA and DEVGRU have dedicated military pilots as part of the overall unit. Operators with flying skills have civilian licenses. That comes in handy when a team is undercover and you don't want to put extra personnel at risk. They can pretened to be smugglers or steal an aircraft to escape a third world country. SF doesn't have that need. SF missions are long-term ventures. You can't just leave the militia guys behind when a mission gets hot and fly off on a stolen plane. They have to make sure the militia guys come back as well. Otherwise, trust is lost and potential allies become enemies.
If you really need him to be an SF Warrant, it would make more sense that he got a civilian pilot's license as a Joe and just skip Flight Warrant Officer School completely. Quote:
I'm just wondering what the timeline is to become a 180A or a WO-1 Helicopter pilot. Flight School could be as little as 12 Weeks to 20 Weeks. Which isn't that long considering he would be career military.
But is there a requirement for Helicopter Warrant Officers to go to the reserves for a few years after Flight School? Quote:
I think flight training is closer to 18 months. I think a six year commitment is involved once you get your wings.
Becoming an 180A can be done in 15 weeks at the SF Warrant Officer Basic Course. It just seems odd that someone would spend 7 1/2 years away from SF, if they wanted to be a SF subject matter expert. The Q course changes class-to-class; because, of what teams learn in the field. Flint would almost have to start over to learn everything that's change since he was an 18C. Quote:
Ouch, so even my Flight Warrant Officer school opening & side-stepping to 180A school idea doesnt work well, since there is a commitment clause. I was hoping that he could be away from SF for less than 2 years. I liked how it lined up in my head, but that's just not the military way. Maybe I should go back to the civilian pilot idea.
So does the rest of my schedule work for 80's Flint? Am I right that Flint would be just a Ranger Schooled and not Ranger Regiment? And would Flint be more 82nd or 101st in the pre-SF days in the mid to late 70's? Quote:
ZD probably knows best for the 80's timeline. I wonder if Flint spent any time as a private. I'd think enlisting with a graduate degree would be worth a bump in rank. My dad served in Vietnam. He left bootcamp and went to signals school as a Spec-4, then went to OCS not long after that.
Today, you can enlist with an 18x contract. You go bootcamp, jump school, SFAS, Q-course(you get an automatic promotion to E-5). I forget if they have complete AIT before jump school or if they skip it. They don't even have to go to Ranger School. Quote:
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I usually don't think about Flint a lot unless he comes up on this thread. As a kid, he was one of those figures that didn't live up to the card art.
The thing about being a Warrant is the purpose is to be an expert in your field. Even if he skipped the leadership and protocol section ot the Aviation Warrant Officer course. He still has to become an expert on aerodynamics and flight theory. He has to go to basic flight and then go to advanced flight and learn the ins and outs of a particular helicopter type. There's nothing that says Flint wasn't a Team Sergeant before he left to fly helicopters. I could see him being recruited as a helicopter pilot by the Joes, who then decide to put his Special Forces experience to use on the ground. Flint's role as a Joe can be more fliud that his as a SF Sergeant. EDIT: Excessive experience bumps up the realistic age of the character. Even as a kid, I thought this was ridiculous. Quote:
To me Flint's helicopter piloting wasn't his main anything. It's just something he picked up.
He's always been a ground pounder for me. Jumping out of a helicopter into the thick of things. Far as I'm concerned, he never received formal training, just something he thought he should learn because the helicopter was responsible for getting him to missions but more importantly it was responsible for getting him home. Quote:
My Flint never flies a Helicopter. He's 180A all the way. But could it be possible is what I'm trying to figure out. No. Most likely not. The timeline for the amount of training he would have to go through doesn't make sense for him to have done it realistically. Besides he would never be allowed to do both at the same time.
Yet if for some unknown reason, he blackmailed his way into Flight School could he have finished it and gone back to Special Forces? His would be a very special case. Almost as special as Lady Jaye and Scarlett doing Ranger School. Quote:
One other alternative, is that Aviation is Flint's "Control Branch".
Here's what I mean: He's a Rhodes scholar, and he goes to the recruiter's office and the recruiter says, "Wow. Well, we don't see a lot of guys with your level of education and credentials. You may actually qualify for the Warrant Officer Flight Program. We advirtise it a lot, but very few people actually qualify for it..." So Flint get sent straight to Warrant Officer Flight School. He does well, and gets a slot to go through Airborne and Ranger School. This does happen with Aviation guys sometimes. I've seen plenty of Army Aviators with Ranger tabs. So he's in Aviation and he's Airborne/Ranger qualified, and he applies for SF. His application is accepted and he goes through selection and the Q-Course. He then specializes as an 180A. Now 180A is his Primary MOS, but he's still qualified as an Aviation Warrant Officer, and all he has to do to stay current is keep his flight hours up... no problem on the Joe Team.
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03-12-2013, 03:04 AM | #18550 |
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May have overreacted a bit. She may be wearing a Marine uniform. Other than the beret, the only things that really stand out about her uniform are the rank devices on the collar and possibly the necktie; instead of, a female necktab.
Found this thread about some of the variations in Marine dress uniforms. Help: Marine Female Officer wears black necktab??????? - UNIFORMS - U.S. Militaria Forum
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