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10-05-2011, 11:57 AM | #16791 |
disgruntled goat
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Oliver- I like them all, but Lockdown is my favorite.
Sean does some great work and its good to know that he will take commissions- anyone want to throw in on a V1 Heavy Duty head? |
10-07-2011, 11:08 AM | #16792 |
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Urban Combat Specialist Beachhead is a lefty (left-eye dominant) with his gas mask on.
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10-07-2011, 12:56 PM | #16793 |
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Gentlemen, I have a question and I think you are the most qualified group to solicite this infomation from.
A Special Forces company consists of 6 ODAs. My question is, how do they differentiate them by name? Or do they at all? For example when referring to a specific ODA would Hawk say, "Proceed to the north end of the airfield and meet up with Captain Claymore's team." So the ODA that Claymore leads wouldn't have a specific name that it goes by other than being referred to as "Captain Claymore's team". Or if they have a specific designation that they go by, where does that specific designator fit in the name if Hawk were talking about them? For example, let's say I wanted Tiger Force and Night Force to be ODAs and Claymore was leading Tiger Force. Would the "correct" name for the teams be Tiger Force Operational Detachment A and Night Force Operational Detachment A? I suppose that would work, but what if Tiger Force is big enough to have more than one ODA? I was thinking it might be Tiger Force ODA Alpha or Tiger Force 1st ODA. In short, I know there's no correct way to do this, but what would the most "correct" way to do based upon how real ODA teams work? And also, how would Hawk refer to them verbally (not in files or reports). Thanks for your time! |
10-07-2011, 01:18 PM | #16794 |
disgruntled goat
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this post from way back when should help answer some of your questions (of course, it may create more- which is often the case when we start kicking things around in here).
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new Dusty w/ k-pot head will be Spearhead for me. lots of potential with this line up.
Oliver- I was reading about ODA teams and MIKE Force organization & if i remember correctly there are 6 ODA and 1 ODB teams per MF. Of the "A" teams one is designated SCUBA and another HALO. The other 4 are "ruck" teams. I've decided to set up my Joes based on this concept. HALO team will have Airborne, Ripcord, Crazylegs, Freefall, Barrel Roll, Air Raid, Cloudburst, Starduster & some Sky Patrol members to round it out. SCUBA will be Torpedo, Wet Suit, Wet Down, Deep Six, Depth Charge, Mariner, Harpoon, Tracker and some original customs to bring it up to 12. Ruck teams will consist of an Amphib Assault (Marines), SWAT & 2 Infantry teams. The ODB or headquarters team will be Hawk and the tech guys. Last edited by Topside; 10-07-2011 at 01:26 PM.. Reason: added info |
10-07-2011, 01:25 PM | #16795 |
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Gentlemen, I have a question and I think you are the most qualified group to solicite this infomation from.
A Special Forces company consists of 6 ODAs. My question is, how do they differentiate them by name? Or do they at all? For example when referring to a specific ODA would Hawk say, "Proceed to the north end of the airfield and meet up with Captain Claymore's team." So the ODA that Claymore leads wouldn't have a specific name that it goes by other than being referred to as "Captain Claymore's team". Or if they have a specific designation that they go by, where does that specific designator fit in the name if Hawk were talking about them? For example, let's say I wanted Tiger Force and Night Force to be ODAs and Claymore was leading Tiger Force. Would the "correct" name for the teams be Tiger Force Operational Detachment A and Night Force Operational Detachment A? I suppose that would work, but what if Tiger Force is big enough to have more than one ODA? I was thinking it might be Tiger Force ODA Alpha or Tiger Force 1st ODA. In short, I know there's no correct way to do this, but what would the most "correct" way to do based upon how real ODA teams work? And also, how would Hawk refer to them verbally (not in files or reports). Thanks for your time! So, for your Joe team, it would simply be a matter of assigning your Joe ODA Teams a numeric or alpha-numeric code. If you want Tiger Force to be its own ODA, you could simple call them ODA-001. If you wanted to get a little fancier, you could call them ODA-TF1 "Tango Foxtrot One". That way, if you've got a second ODA from Tiger Force, then that second team could just be ODA-TF2 "Tango Foxtrot Two". Night force could be ODA-003, or ODA-NF1 "November Foxtrot One"... or whatever you like. I hope this helps. If you have the list of all your ODA teams, I'm happy to help you come up with a system that will work for you. Thanks for stopping by our thread; we're always happy to help and to have a new topic of discussion.
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10-07-2011, 01:28 PM | #16796 |
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So if their function is part of their seperate designation, then just referring to them as Tiger Force ODA and Night Force ODA would work provided Tiger Force and Night Force are kept to 1 team each. Does anyone know how the real Special Forces designate each Ruck team? |
10-07-2011, 01:32 PM | #16797 |
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In the real world, all ODA's are designated by a number. That number is usually 3 digits long, and the first digit indicates the Group to which they belong. For example, during the campaign at Tora Bora, Delta Force worked with ODA-555 "The Triple Nickel". That number tells us that it was 5th Group (Central Command - HQed at Ft. Campbell). I'm not sure if the numbering goes all the way back to Vietnam, or how long a specific ODA retains the number, but that's how they're designated.
So, for your Joe team, it would simply be a matter of assigning your Joe ODA Teams a numeric or alpha-numeric code. If you want Tiger Force to be its own ODA, you could simple call them ODA-001. If you wanted to get a little fancier, you could call them ODA-TF1 "Tango Foxtrot One". That way, if you've got a second ODA from Tiger Force, then that second team could just be ODA-TF2 "Tango Foxtrot Two". Night force could be ODA-003, or ODA-NF1 "November Foxtrot One"... or whatever you like. I hope this helps. If you have the list of all your ODA teams, I'm happy to help you come up with a system that will work for you. Thanks for stopping by our thread; we're always happy to help and to have a new topic of discussion. I see my mistake was looking up Special Forces, when I should have looked up Mike Force. This thread is awesome. I've picked up (stolen) most of my Joe set up from you guys on this thread. |
10-07-2011, 01:39 PM | #16798 |
disgruntled goat
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That does help. Thank you Topside!
So if their function is part of their seperate designation, then just referring to them as Tiger Force ODA and Night Force ODA would work provided Tiger Force and Night Force are kept to 1 team each. Does anyone know how the real Special Forces designate each Ruck team? |
10-07-2011, 02:47 PM | #16799 |
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One more quick question on this. Would Hawk refer to them as ODA-TF1 and ODA-NF1 or would the ODA be redundant? I suppose it would depend upon who he was talking to and in what context. Right now, I have enough of the Tiger Force guys to have ODA-TF1, but I do cheat a bit, by using the tan colored Stalker from the dvd pack and Claymore to round out the team. I try to stick to cannon as much as possible, but I just felt Claymore fits in with Tiger Force perfectly and my budget is not going to allow for the purchase of Mission Brazil any time soon. Night Force I'm even farther away on completing, but I have many of the members, just in the wrong uniform, so I don't feel so bad including them in my set up. So in my case, Hawk would probably refer to them as TF1 if he was speaking to another Joe. Like Oliver stated, the 3 digit or in my case character designation tells us what team he is specifically speaking of. The ODA would probably only come into play if he was speaking to an outside party and needed that piece of the designation as a descriptive term for the team. Like maybe when he is speaking to Congress or the media. Does that sound about right?
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10-07-2011, 03:04 PM | #16800 |
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As I understand it, ODAs, or Alpha Teams, were used in Nam as Force Multipliers, working with and training indigenous forces (as their primary role). A) is this still a correct definition/mission role for Alpha Teams? B) if so, wouldn't it seem unlikely for GI Joe to have any ODAs, or at least more than one? Joe's mission is nothing like SF in Nam or any conventional/modern warfare tactic. There are rarely if ever a indigenous force to train as guerrilla fighters. Or even conventional recce or search/destroy missions, as in Nam or Iraq, Afghanistan or other open warfare areas. Obviously, Joe is based on a subset of SF's organization...a team, like Delta or Seal Team Six. Trying to ascribe large unit organizations to them just doesn't seem to work. Of course, I am beginning to think that the whole thing of Joe being a military run unit at all...more like a CIA or other Alphabet soup organization that draws on military resources but isn't restricted by the same policies as the military like Posse Comitatus. Posse particularly bugs me because Cobra, Joe's primary tasking, is primarily a domestic terrorist organization. |
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