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09-27-2011, 04:56 PM | #16751 |
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I think it's only people assigned to Airborne units.
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09-27-2011, 10:36 PM | #16752 |
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By virtue of being a Special Operations Unit, G.I. Joe would be an "Airborne" designated unit. Consequently, unless the soldier is Special Forces qualified, or had served with the Ranger Regiment, that soldier would wear a Maroon Beret... unless, of course, it was someone like Leatherneck or Torpedo from another Service Branch.
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09-28-2011, 12:57 AM | #16753 |
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So how do you rationalize Sgt Stone?
I have an issue with the extra Red Beret Sgt Stone head I use on the TRU Law from the 5-pack. (My stand-in until they make the Renegades Law) He has that MP arm band and maybe we can find an origin for Sandstorm at the same time. Law's original filecard mentions his Airborne qualification. The only Airborne Qualified MPs are the 16th military Brigade which is part of the XVIII Corps which is based around the 82nd Airborne Division. They get to wear the Maroon Berets so would the 16th? Oliver I know you were at Bragg so I guess you could tell us from first hand experience if you saw how they were decked out? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Mi...(United_States)
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09-28-2011, 10:12 AM | #16754 |
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So how do you rationalize Sgt Stone?
I have an issue with the extra Red Beret Sgt Stone head I use on the TRU Law from the 5-pack. (My stand-in until they make the Renegades Law) He has that MP arm band and maybe we can find an origin for Sandstorm at the same time. Law's original filecard mentions his Airborne qualification. The only Airborne Qualified MPs are the 16th military Brigade which is part of the XVIII Corps which is based around the 82nd Airborne Division. They get to wear the Maroon Berets so would the 16th? Oliver I know you were at Bragg so I guess you could tell us from first hand experience if you saw how they were decked out? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Mi...(United_States) "The 16th Military Police Brigade is a Military Police brigade of the United States Army headquartered at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. It was the only airborne-qualified military police brigade in the United States Army. It provides law enforcement and police duties to the Fort Bragg area, and for the XVIII Airborne Corps when deployed. As an Airborne unit, it was authorized a beret flash and parachute wing trimming [1], and the shoulder sleeve insignia was authorized to be worn with an Airborne tab. According to U.S. Army's Institute of Heraldry, the shoulder sleeve insignia "was amended to delete the airborne tab effective 16 October 2008" when jump status was terminated. [2]" The red beret Stone is my default for that character and I use him as an Air Force Pararescue or PJ. Last edited by Topside; 09-28-2011 at 10:25 AM.. |
09-28-2011, 11:27 AM | #16755 |
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So how do you rationalize Sgt Stone?
I have an issue with the extra Red Beret Sgt Stone head I use on the TRU Law from the 5-pack. (My stand-in until they make the Renegades Law) He has that MP arm band and maybe we can find an origin for Sandstorm at the same time. Law's original filecard mentions his Airborne qualification. The only Airborne Qualified MPs are the 16th military Brigade which is part of the XVIII Corps which is based around the 82nd Airborne Division. They get to wear the Maroon Berets so would the 16th? Oliver I know you were at Bragg so I guess you could tell us from first hand experience if you saw how they were decked out? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Mi...(United_States) A lot of soldiers in the Army are Airborne qualified, even though they don't serve in Airborne units... so they wear their jump wings because that's a matter of qualification. If, however, they are not part of an Airborne unit, they just wear the black beret. Headgear is unit specific, not a matter of qualification. So even if Law weren't at the 82nd, he could still be Airborne qualified. The Army is full of Airborne qualified soldiers in non-Airborne units. I was just saying in general, if a person were on the Joe Team, they would have to be Airborne qualified at a minimum. In a perfect Joe world, where everything made military sense, when the Joes wore their uniforms for inspection, all the Army Joes would be wearing maroon berets, unless they were SF qualified, or were Ranger Qualified and had served with the 75th Ranger Regiment (In JSOC, they make a lot of allowances for the Sand Beret). In Special Operations Units, anyone with a Green Beret... everyone else wears a Maroon beret, because everyone in a Special Operations Unit is supposed to be Airborne qualified. When I first got to Bragg, I wasn't Airborne qualified. Even so, I was told to show up for work with a Maroon Beret with the proper flash for 4th PsyOps Group. I didn't need to explain that I wasn't Airborne qualified, because at Bragg, the lack of jump wings on a uniform stands out like a billboard that says, "Leg/Loser". In spite of this, I was told that 4th PsyOps is a Special Ops Unit, and therefore an Airborne unit, and the Maroon Beret is SOP for any soldier unless they were SF qualfied. It would be the same for the Joes... all the SF Joes would wear their Green Berets, guys like Stalker would wear the Sand Beret, and guys like Law, Grunt, and Footloose would wear a Maroon Beret.
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09-28-2011, 02:02 PM | #16756 |
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I guess I'm looking for a little Secret in the filecard. An Airborne Qualified MP, until 2008, would have been in the 16th and would have worn a Maroon Beret.
When I say Sgt, Stone I just meant he's a Marine with a Beret? But like you said you wear the Unit Headgear, so the Joes are more of an Army outfit than anything else. I took that Sgt Stone Red Beret and made him "Air-Strike: Air Combat Contoller" I took an extra Stalker and gave him a red Beret as well. Now I have Jammer: Air Combat Controller. I just happen to have a 2nd red beret Sgt Stone I put on a Desert MP body from Zartan in the TRU 5 pack with Law; Footloose; Dial-Tone(Female ver.); Repeater. I didn't like the Law so mixed. I didn't want to change Repeater so I call him SSGT Mack from Predator I didn't like that Footloose, so I made Repeater with the body and the head from the Zartan. Dial-tone is now Switchboard or something.
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09-28-2011, 11:54 PM | #16757 |
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Oliverbox, Loose cannon, topside, blackrazor1, Thank you for all this chatter about Law. I guess what Im trying to discover is would the Joe's para-uniforms come from where they served per se? Like Loose Cannon is hinting at, I was also beating around the bush about. Could we say that 1987 Law was part of the 16th Military Police Brigade before joining the Joe Team? Thanks Loose cannon for clarifying what I said.
But yeah, I can see the entire "ARMY" Joe team wearing Maroon Berets and also being Ranger Qualified, like we discussed about Hama's intentions earlier. Tho that really puts me into a bind. I was using red beret Stone, with ROC Thunder's body to have Drop Zone. When in fact, he's the only one in Sky Patrol that should be wearing a Green Beret. Loose Cannon, since GI JOE CC is making Footloose, with the extra Footloose I have, I put his head onto ROC Wild Bill and have Payload, who shares the cockpit with Wild Bill of the True Heroes "AB-115 Shark Plane" for Sky Patrol. Also, The World Peacekeepers, Aerial Rocket Helicopter, Ive made into the fictional US Army Helicopter, UH-65 Tomahawk for Lift-Ticket (From HH-65 Dolphin). Im still flushing out the details for my historical fanfic of 1984-85 timeline Flint and his hopefully civilian helicopter piloting skills. Apparently, 1953 about the time Flint would have been born. Cessna was developing a piston helicopter, the CH-1 Skyhook and the planned military version, the YH-41 Seneca. Didnt really take off in sales, and ended about 1962. But my idea is make his dad or uncle part of the production team that built it. Oliverbox, I found out, one of these helicopters is being held as a museum piece in storage at the U.S. Army Aviation Museum at Fort Rucker, Alabama. Also, Does the wording of Flint filecard and his comicbook appearances place him serving with the 75th Ranger Regiment or only Ranger Qualified and just returning back to the 82nd "All American" Airborne Division as an NCO? Before Going onto Special Forces School-Green Berets.
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09-29-2011, 12:20 AM | #16758 |
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And they always seem to Forget Rock and Roll was an army Ranger!!
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09-29-2011, 01:33 AM | #16759 |
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As far as Im concerned Roadblock will always be Roadblock !!!!! Heavy Duty was just some second rate baseball hat wearing space filler !! SO Disrespectful !!!
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09-29-2011, 06:10 AM | #16760 |
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Well no one will discredit RB here. Not that I don't like HD also, but IDW messed it up.
However nowhere has RnR been credited as being a Ranger. (He's Special Forces in my verse, but that's not true to Joe-Lore) Although he is mentioned as being inspired to join the military do to his experience with the Ranger at the beach who saves the kids life. But that was DDP right? Takedown, I have the whole Sky Patrol, but most are headswaps. I use POC Ripcord as Static line. I will use that Footloose head on Skydive when Footloose comes out. I use Rollbar with a ROC Duke head as Airborne, and an extra POC Beachhead with a headswap as Drop-Zone. I took an extra Clone trooper head as Altitude. As far as Flint is concerned. I like to think he was going through Flight Warrant Officer school to become a pilot after Special Forces, because he's an over-Achiever, but Hawk brought him into the Joes. Hence he has the training and is able to fly, but otherwise his roll is XO.
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