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08-25-2011, 11:11 AM | #16601 |
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I really like that figure though and '89 RnR is my default for that Joe so I need to come up with a new filename for BP |
08-25-2011, 11:46 AM | #16602 |
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I use Air-Raid as Air-Raid but he is a Lt like Tomahawk is. I use the Duke 5-pack of the same mold as Barrel-Roll also a Lt. I use Bench-Press as Bench-Press. I didn't care for the Rock'n'Rolls we got. I did a head swap on the 3 pack Sgt Stone. Much better. I use the Comic Pack Rock'n'Roll as Hollow-Point.
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08-28-2011, 03:59 AM | #16603 |
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I was looking at some of the O13 filecards the other day and noticed quite a few of them went through "Covert Ops" school. Is this evidence of any of them having SF or advanced Intel Collection training prior to Joe enlistment? or is it just a throw away reference to some of the training they had to go thru to become Joes?
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08-28-2011, 05:53 AM | #16604 |
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Covert Ops School doesn't actually refer to any known Intel SChool. Unless it's inferring that it is "The Farm", since we are to assume it some sort of premier SChool, just for the fact that it is mentioned.
Still I always figured the Joes would have their own sort of Training, similar to Delta Force. Sure maybe they have seasoned SEAL team members who wouldn't need all that training, but I think that is why so many of the Joes are INstructors of some kind or other. When they aren't in action then they must be training. Although, I assume much of the training is on the Job.
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08-28-2011, 05:56 AM | #16605 |
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Yeah I always liked to think that "Covert Ops School" was some kind of pre-Joe or SOF selection training
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08-28-2011, 05:54 PM | #16606 |
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Covert Ops School doesn't actually refer to any known Intel SChool. Unless it's inferring that it is "The Farm", since we are to assume it some sort of premier SChool, just for the fact that it is mentioned.
Still I always figured the Joes would have their own sort of Training, similar to Delta Force. Sure maybe they have seasoned SEAL team members who wouldn't need all that training, but I think that is why so many of the Joes are INstructors of some kind or other. When they aren't in action then they must be training. Although, I assume much of the training is on the Job. Yeah, "Covert Ops" school is pretty ambiguous. It could very well mean "The Farm". Eric Haney's book "Inside Delta Force" tells that several Delta Operators were sent through "The Farm" or the FBI's covert training course in addition to Delta's own training. I imagine the Intelligence Support Activity must have it's own "Spook/Commando" training as well that they give to their operatives, but that unit is so small and so secretive, I've never read anything that talks about their training. I would have to think the Joes would have to have some kind of Selection & Training program similar to Delta's S&T. That was based on the SAS's S&T, and it seems to serve as the prototype for elite, military counter-terror units around the world. It would make sense - since the Joes are supposed to be the very "Tip of the Spear" that they might include some elements from BUD/S as far as the team work nature of SEAL training, but I can't imagine the Joes would need much else from training. Now about the "seasoned SEAL team members who wouldn't need all that training"... I think you're giving too much credit to the SEALs. I'm sure about about to start a heated discussion with this comment, but I'm going to make it because I believe it: Navy SEALs are highly over rated. Let me qualify that statement; they're tough, they're effective, and SEAL Team 6 is a whole other animal, but the other Teams? I'll take Army Special Forces or the Rangers any day of the week. I've been reading a ton of books about SEALs lately - that doesn't make me an expert, but it does mean I'm not uninformed - and I don't think they're training is really all that great compared to Army Special Ops or MARSOC. If anyone is interested in discussing/debating this, it might make for an interesting conversation (which we could use around here)... let's just try to keep it civil and let's keep the hyperbole to a minimum. Again, just to be clear, I'm not saying "SEALS suck". I'm saying they're over rated, and that they aren't any better than other Spec Ops units... in fact, I think they're much less effective for most operations for a multitude of reasons.
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08-28-2011, 06:18 PM | #16607 |
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Oliver, what would be your Top-5 or Top-10 of Spec Ops units?
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08-28-2011, 06:55 PM | #16608 |
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Major Bludd has served as a military advisor in various countries. He is also wanted for war crimes in various countries.
Voltar has served as a mercenary commander in various countries. He was very successful at what he did to win battles. He was so successful,that the various governments and revoluntionaries got him out of the country. Probably so that he wouldn`t turn on them. |
08-28-2011, 07:10 PM | #16609 |
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Yeah, "Covert Ops" school is pretty ambiguous. It could very well mean "The Farm". Eric Haney's book "Inside Delta Force" tells that several Delta Operators were sent through "The Farm" or the FBI's covert training course in addition to Delta's own training. I imagine the Intelligence Support Activity must have it's own "Spook/Commando" training as well that they give to their operatives, but that unit is so small and so secretive, I've never read anything that talks about their training.
I would have to think the Joes would have to have some kind of Selection & Training program similar to Delta's S&T. That was based on the SAS's S&T, and it seems to serve as the prototype for elite, military counter-terror units around the world. It would make sense - since the Joes are supposed to be the very "Tip of the Spear" that they might include some elements from BUD/S as far as the team work nature of SEAL training, but I can't imagine the Joes would need much else from training. .... Also note, that at least once in the Marvel run, and maybe the Cartoon, potential recruits went through a Delta like selection process. However, it seems most of the members, particularly the originals, were flat out invited. |
08-28-2011, 09:37 PM | #16610 |
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Haney's book was the basis for the TV show "The Unit" a top secret Delta antiterrorist unit VERY similar to The Joe team. They operated under the cover of a logistic studies unit, had code names (but doesn't everyone), a secret headquarters with all sorts of support staff, a Colonel in charge, etc. The only thing missing was a villain in a hood or metal mask. Point being, a visit to the Farm was probably what Covert Ops school refers to.
Also note, that at least once in the Marvel run, and maybe the Cartoon, potential recruits went through a Delta like selection process. However, it seems most of the members, particularly the originals, were flat out invited. The selection process in the Marvel Run and in the Movie, were nothing like what Haney describes as Delta's selection. In the Marvel run - and I'm assuming you mean the one with Lightfoot and Repeater in training - it looked like a really ramped up version of Basic Training with impossible phyisical standards: more similar to the first 6 weeks of BUD/S, really, than Delta/SAS S&T.
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