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06-02-2011, 10:40 PM | #16361 |
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Maybe SE was on his second enlisted contract by the time he, SS, and Stalker met up. I don't think it's ever been shown what he was doing before 1968 (although if it was, I'm sure Tanksmasher will pop in and mention something about it... I'm not nearly as familiar with Snake-Eyes' comic book history as he is)... it's possible he was already a soldier by the time the US stepped up its involvement in Vietnam in '64/'65. |
06-02-2011, 11:27 PM | #16362 |
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HA! I'm sure there was plenty of that.
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06-03-2011, 12:54 AM | #16363 |
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I don't have the comic in front of me, but in the last issue of the Marvel run SE talks about the other members of the LRRP team. IIRC Dick had re-upped at least once, and possibly Ramon as well. It's so hard to pin down anything definitive since LH had a tendency to ret-con stuff. In issue 10, when SE's in the Brain Wave Scanner, Venom mentions that one of the images appears to be from the fall of Saigon. Then, of course, the SE Trilogy has them there in early '68. I suppose it would be easier if he had either established a timeline and stuck to it, or on the other hand, just been vague about when they were there.
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06-03-2011, 04:48 AM | #16364 |
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For some reason, I remember thinking that the day before Tet '68 was the first time Stalker met SS and SE. I don't think there's anything that definitively reinforces or disputes this either way, but it "felt" to me like that was the idea. Could just be me misreading it though, or missing some other clues and cues.
Also, when SS gets shot by the drive by VC, Stalker shouts "hey wait for me!" as SE commandeers the jeep to pursue him but SS tells Stalker to let SE go as he'd only slow him down. This indicates to me that Stalker doesn't know SE very well. Quote:
I don't have the comic in front of me, but in the last issue of the Marvel run SE talks about the other members of the LRRP team. IIRC Dick had re-upped at least once, and possibly Ramon as well. It's so hard to pin down anything definitive since LH had a tendency to ret-con stuff. In issue 10, when SE's in the Brain Wave Scanner, Venom mentions that one of the images appears to be from the fall of Saigon. Then, of course, the SE Trilogy has them there in early '68. I suppose it would be easier if he had either established a timeline and stuck to it, or on the other hand, just been vague about when they were there.
Dickie Saperstein is also described as a short-timer with 2 months before he was due to rotate home when he re-upped for a cash bonus for an operation for his father. Father died on the table, mother went mad but Dickie continued in Vietnam - there is no exact timeline here, but the assumption is that he's probably come through to about a year or so in country, with another year left before he's killed (well my assumption anyway). That's all from the final issue, nothing specific about SS, SE or Stalker. |
06-03-2011, 07:26 AM | #16365 |
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"Two-digit midget" is military rhyming slang for somebody with less than a hundred days left on their active-duty contract. "Beaucoup short-timer" roughly means the same thing (but most often applied to someone with less than a month left on ther active-duty contract). Their use together by Hama is probably his way of saying that Escobedo was nearing the "one-digit midget" (less than ten days left on the contract) milestone.
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06-03-2011, 11:14 AM | #16366 |
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Thanks Zulu
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06-03-2011, 01:23 PM | #16367 |
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But the more obvious explanation is what you alluded to... Hama himself says repeatedly in interviews that he was making a lot of the stuff up as he went along (it's that spontaneous quality that was one of the book's greatest strengths, but also the source of numerous continuity problems down the line), he probably didn't expect grown men a quarter of a century later going over his work-for-hire material for a toy company with a fine-toothed comb looking to reconstruct a plausible history of its characters |
06-03-2011, 01:38 PM | #16368 |
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Sorry, I hope my popping in doesn't come off rudely or anything. I just wanted to contribute what I thought might be a realisitc explanation for the events that Hama describes. As Lardman pointed out, Stalker and Tommy and SE are simply on their way to MACV-SOG. No explanation is given. This is a portion of the excerpt from my notes:
Tommy: "Hey, Stalker! Is this the right address? What a dump!" Stalker: "If this is Pasteur Street, it is!" Tommy: "What does it say on your orders?" Stalker: "The same thing it says on your orders, Stormshadow! January 31, 1968, we report to MACV-SOG, Saigon at—“ Barnett: “Don’t sweat it, this is the place, all right! Ol’ speedy-four Corky Barnett been delivering you covert types to this shady address for 364 days, and tomorrow’s my wake-up!” Interestingly they are standing in front of a building that says 13 Rue Pasteur but according to my notes, MACV was located at 137 Pasteur, but I'm not sure where the SOG office was exactly. I'm curious as to how much Hama knew when he wrote this, because a lot of what's known now about SOG came out many years after the war ended and the information was declassified. Last edited by Tanksmasher; 06-03-2011 at 01:59 PM.. |
06-03-2011, 02:10 PM | #16369 |
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Some of it was probably based on stuff he was actually privy to, and others were probably based on stuff that he half-remembered seeing or hearing or things based on rumour: You'd be surprised how much gossip and insinuations spread around in enlisted circles... in-between training and going on actual missions, there's a lot of empty air that can get filled with idle speculation and outright rumour-mongering, especially when junior enlisted guys don't really get told any more than they need to know (and sometimes, they even get told less than that). |
06-03-2011, 05:08 PM | #16370 |
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Good catch. I always forget about that scene in issue #10. Of course, I suppose if you were angling for a No-Prize or something, you could always say that it was simply a helicopter evacuation scene from the late 1960s, and not specifically definitive proof that SE was still in Vietnam in 1975 (how would Dr. Venom know that what he was seeing on the Brainwave Scanner -- which were "filmed" from SE's point of view -- were scenes specifically from Operation Frequent Wind?).
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