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05-16-2011, 11:23 AM | #16231 |
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Yeah, I've gathered as much info as I could, and read a lot of books by veterans. You even helped me locate some info on helicopter companies a while back. I also found those military books by Osprey Publishing to be of great help in understanding how units were organized and such. Of course too much research starts to detract from the writing. I just want the background to be convincing while I develop the characters and their motivations and personal demons and such.
I've always wished G.I.Joe was more time locked, with the original few generations of Joes including a few Vietnam veterans etc. You could even weave in the story of a soldier who is KIA in Vietnam, but after fathering a child Stateside - that kid could grow up to join the military some time in the '80s and make the Joe team at some point after that. What if someone like Bullhorn or Salvo were driven to excel in an Army career by the ghost of a father he never met? Essentially, this is part of the storyline in Top Gun, where "Maverick" has a father who was shot down over SE Asia. There's no reason this couldn't be woven into the Joe story. And then of course, one of the Vietnam veteran Joes would probably have known the guy who was KIA all those years ago and once this was discovered that would create a unique and perhaps awkward bond between him and the much younger up-and-coming rookie Joe trooper. Just an idea. |
05-16-2011, 02:13 PM | #16232 |
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Sounds fantastic!
I've always wished G.I.Joe was more time locked, with the original few generations of Joes including a few Vietnam veterans etc. You could even weave in the story of a soldier who is KIA in Vietnam, but after fathering a child Stateside - that kid could grow up to join the military some time in the '80s and make the Joe team at some point after that. What if someone like Bullhorn or Salvo were driven to excel in an Army career by the ghost of a father he never met? Essentially, this is part of the storyline in Top Gun, where "Maverick" has a father who was shot down over SE Asia. There's no reason this couldn't be woven into the Joe story. And then of course, one of the Vietnam veteran Joes would probably have known the guy who was KIA all those years ago and once this was discovered that would create a unique and perhaps awkward bond between him and the much younger up-and-coming rookie Joe trooper. Just an idea. To clarify (or perhaps rationalize) certain facts in Stalker's file card, I decided to make him a Shake N Bake Sgt. His story begins with his arrest and trial for the alleged murder of several gang members and innocent bystanders in a bloody shootout that takes place in the streets of Detroit. Stalker had dropped out of school and joined a black/hispanic youth gang primarily to protect his family, mainly his brothers, from the ongoing gang violence that devastated Detroit in the 60s. He's given a choice of going to the joint or enlisting in the Army so he opts for the latter in order to provide for his family. Stalker has no love for the military or authority but he's smart, learns quickly and becomes an effective leader. Having come from an educated but poor multilingual family, Stalker's proficiency in several languages gets the attention of some officers but he wants nothing to do with them. He just wants to serve his time, avoid the war at all costs, and get home, but his attitude starts to change and he eventually accepts the offer to attend the first class at NCO School, which the Army created to make up for the heavy attrition of NCOs from the war. He graduates as a Sergeant (E-5)--a Shake N Bake Sgt as they were called by the hard stripers--and is immediately sent to Southeast Asia just before the TET Offensive. He meets some Lurps who persuade him to volunter but he has to pay his dues first, so the first several months of his tour are spent with a regular line company in the 101st, learning the ropes as an infantryman and a squad leader. Eventually he joins Company F (LRP), 58th Infantry and goes on various long-range patrols. After his tour ends, he returns to the states and volunteers for Special Forces and finishes training as an SF Medic. He returns to Vietnam and somehow gets himself involved with the most dangerous, highly classified unit in the entire war--SOG! PS: Some Joes I decided were simply too young to have been in Vietnam, like Ace, but we get to see his father flying OV-10As as a Forward Air Controller (FAC). So that's kind of what you were you suggesting. Last edited by Tanksmasher; 05-16-2011 at 02:46 PM.. |
05-16-2011, 02:53 PM | #16233 |
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I thought it was strange that he had Navy/Marine Corps gold jump wings. I didn't it was that common for Army guys to wear those back then.
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05-16-2011, 03:18 PM | #16234 |
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Interesting thing about Repeater, too, is the camo pattern on his uniform. I thought it looked weird when I was a kid, but when I found out that Ron Rudat and his fellow GI Joe toy designers would regularly be given guided tours of the Natick Soldier Center (where prototype uniforms, helmets, vests, etc. are designed/tested) for research, it occurred to me that Repeater's camo pattern might have been based on the prototype T-pattern camo that was being considered for Marine Corps use back in the late 1980s. It could also explain why he had Naval Parachutist wings instead of Army wings... maybe Rudat intended for him to be a Ranger-qualified Marine all along (he's big on the Corps coming from a Navy/USMC family—Leatherneck's appearance is based on him, IIRC), but Hama went in a different route for the filecard (similar to the Low-Light toy design/filecard dichotomy).
A couple of the Battleforce 2000 guys (Blaster, Avalanche, and Dodger, IIRC) also have some design elements that seem to have commonalities with some of the prototype Natick technologies that found their way to the earliest US Army Future Force Warrior designs. Obviously, Battleforce 2000 came out way before the Future Force Warrior program was ever formalized, but some of the gear used for the earliest FFW mock-ups were based on prototypes that were allegedly already extant in the late 1980s. On the other hand, it could all just be an instance of "design convergence." Last edited by zuludelta; 05-16-2011 at 03:33 PM.. |
05-16-2011, 03:27 PM | #16235 |
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Recoil also has similar camo.
And Tanksmasher - very interesting stuff |
05-16-2011, 03:31 PM | #16236 |
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Interesting thing about Repeater, too, is the camo pattern on his uniform. I thought it looked weird when I was a kid, but when I found out that Ron Rudat and his fellow GI Joe toy designers would occasionally be given guided tours of the Natick Soldier Center (where prototype uniforms, helmets, vests, etc. are designed/tested) for research, it occurred to me that Repeater's camo pattern might have been based on the prototype T-pattern camo that was being considered for Marine Corps use back in the late 1980s. It could also explain why he had Naval Parachutist wings instead of Army wings... maybe Rudat intended for him to be a Ranger-qualified Marine all along (he's big on the Corps coming from a Navy/USMC family—Leatherneck's appearance is based on him, IIRC), but Hama went in a different route for the filecard (similar to the Low-Light toy design/filecard dichotomy).
A couple of the Battleforce 2000 guys (Blaster, Avalanche, and Dodger, IIRC) also have some design elements that seem to have commonalities with some of the prototype technologies that found their way to the earliest US Army Future Force Warrior designs. Obviously, Battleforce 2000 came out way before the Future Force Warrior program was ever formalized, but some of the gear used for the earliest FFW mock-ups were based on prototypes that were already extant in the late 1980s.
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05-16-2011, 06:54 PM | #16237 |
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I can see Repeater being a Marine Gunnery Sargeant.
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05-16-2011, 10:06 PM | #16238 |
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You guys must have great eyes to be able to tell whether those are Army or Navy wings!
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05-16-2011, 10:20 PM | #16239 |
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The 1982 Filecard of Snake Eyes says that he has some training in Holistic Medicine. The 1989 Filecard says that Snake Eyes is Ranger Qualified. His rank went from E-5 to E-7. The 1997 Filecard has his rank at E-8. In the comics,his parents and sister were killed in a car crash on the way to the airport. But the 1997 Filecard says that they were fatally wounded on the way to the airport.
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05-16-2011, 11:00 PM | #16240 |
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