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04-05-2011, 11:28 AM | #15631 |
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So I was re-reading issue #28 of DDP's GI Joe (vol.2) when I came across the panel introducing Depth Charge. In it, he's introduced as "Sgt. Nick Langdon."
So does this mean he's not a SEAL as we've all assumed, but is instead, I dunno, an Army Engineer Diver or (less likely, because they don't do underwater demo as much) a Marine Recon Man? Or is this just a typo/a demonstration of DDP writer Brandon Jerwa's unfamiliarity with military rank? I'm leaning towards the latter myself... it has to be an error of some kind on Jerwa's part... if a character's job is "UDT (Underwater Demolitions Team)," the character has to be Navy, since UDTs were Navy units. Expecting otherwise would be like calling a character a "Ranger" and then revealing that the character is a Marine (yes, I know Force Recon Marines will occasionally go to Ranger School, but we're talking typical cases here, and besides, when I think "Ranger," I think of the members of the 75th Ranger Regiment whom successfully passed RASP, and not necessarily non-Regiment graduates of Ranger School) DDP was a bunch of posers. They didn't know the first thing about how the military worked. It was a mess of continuity. Depth Charge is in the Navy. UDT is only for the Navy. Occasionally, they used to let some Army Rangers and SF Operators go through BUD/S - like an interservice exchange because the Army let's them use Airborne school and Ranger school - but even then, all those guys went to serve with the SEALs, not the UDT's. It's just ridiculous.
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04-05-2011, 11:32 AM | #15632 |
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You know what language it is from?
I always thought it weird that she was given an Austronesian code-name when she's supposed to be Eastern European... "vorona" means "bird" in Malagasy... it shares a common linguistic root with the Malay/Indonesian and Tagalog words for "bird" ("burung" and "ibon," respectively). Last edited by zuludelta; 04-05-2011 at 11:35 AM.. |
04-05-2011, 11:36 AM | #15633 |
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I have no clue. I just remember a bit of text in the issue saying "Vorona means raven". I have it scanned, I'll see if can dig it up later tonight.
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04-05-2011, 12:07 PM | #15634 |
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I wonder if they'd gone with a bigger and more experienced studio if the property could have sustained its popularity through the late 1990s and early 2000s. The weak comic book was part of the reason I tuned GI Joe out during that time period (I remember seeing a couple of the issues of the GI Joe Vol.2 series and thinking that their artists couldn't even draw proper firearms, which you'd think would be a prerequisite for being put on a military-themed comic book... the Joes all seemed to be using blocky Liefeldian monstrosities or poorly researched approximations of real-world weapons) Don't trouble yourself over it. Chances are that it's just a case of the writer using "Vorona" because it sounded cool and vaguely Eastern European/Czech/Slavic, even though it's actually a word from Malagasy (the main language of Madagascar, and a language that's more closely related to Southeast Asian languages). |
04-05-2011, 12:30 PM | #15635 |
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Blaylock, the head DDP guy, was a Joe fan. But I think he was more of a fan of the cartoon then the original comic.
One of DDP's biggest issues was trying to force cartoon concepts into the comic. The biggest of this was Duke's increased presence.
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04-05-2011, 01:10 PM | #15636 |
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Larry Hama made several attempts to try and add realism to the Joe Team... sometimes, however, it seems like his knowledge was from an era that was long since passed. But he tried.
DDP was a bunch of posers. They didn't know the first thing about how the military worked. It was a mess of continuity. Depth Charge is in the Navy. UDT is only for the Navy. Occasionally, they used to let some Army Rangers and SF Operators go through BUD/S - like an interservice exchange because the Army let's them use Airborne school and Ranger school - but even then, all those guys went to serve with the SEALs, not the UDT's. It's just ridiculous. Other than Coast Guard, no other US military service has had members graduate from BUD\S. Everyone else has to transfer to the Navy before going to BUD\S. The do let foreign military personnel go through, but they don't serve on the teams. They return home to share the knowledge with their units. Before 1983, you couldn't go to BUD\S to be a SEAL. You went for the CHANCE to be a SEAL. At graduation, you found out if you were going to be a UDT or SEAL. Training that made you a SEAL happened when got to your platoon. In 83', the UDT guys came to work and found that the letterhead was changed from UDT to SEAL or SDV team. After that it didn't matter; because, everyone was a SEAL.
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04-05-2011, 04:22 PM | #15637 |
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IDW have had their share of school-boy errors (and all in the same comic afair) - what with exploding C4 in a water-filled room and having the occupants survive and talking about a sub crashing into the seafloor at iirc 100mph+
Now I'm not saying that's a good thing, or that it makes the errors with the DDP characters acceptable, rather that it's a shame there's not someone with some general knowledge/overview of the subject checking through the story boards - and that this seems to be a generic problem (and I didn't notice anything too bad while reading the Marvel run, so hats off to Hama). |
04-05-2011, 05:58 PM | #15638 |
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IDW have had their share of school-boy errors (and all in the same comic afair) - what with exploding C4 in a water-filled room and having the occupants survive and talking about a sub crashing into the seafloor at iirc 100mph+
Now I'm not saying that's a good thing, or that it makes the errors with the DDP characters acceptable, rather that it's a shame there's not someone with some general knowledge/overview of the subject checking through the story boards - and that this seems to be a generic problem (and I didn't notice anything too bad while reading the Marvel run, so hats off to Hama).
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04-05-2011, 07:34 PM | #15639 |
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One of the low points in the early issues. As I've stated before in this thread, issues 11-20 of the original Marvel run, in my mind, had some of the weakest stories and art (it seemed like the creative and editorial team had no idea where to take the book after the surprising success of the first 10 issues... IIRC, Hama mentioned in an interview that they didn't expect the book to last past 10 or 12 issues, so they ended up having to scramble and make shit up for most of the book's second year).
I stopped reading past issue 118 or so, but I thought Payload was always depicted as being black in the comics, not just in his first appearance. Never really gave it much thought, though, but imagine if they'd done that in the internet-era. I don't know if the change would have generated as much on-line venom and fanboy outrage as "Black Ripcord" but man, I'm sure it wouldn't have been pretty (to digress a bit, I wasn't thrilled with the idea of Hasbro turning Ripcord black... if Hasbro wanted to prominently feature a black character, I don't know why they just didn't go with Stalker... but seeing all the overly dramatic fanboy reactions here and in other forums actually had me almost lauding the change). |
04-05-2011, 10:45 PM | #15640 |
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IIRC, they could never decide what color Payload was. Sometimes he was white, sometimes he was black. I didn't really care about the whole Ripcord thing, but I do agree Wayans could have simply been another character, like Stalker or Static line, for example. And his acting wasn't nearly as bad as Tatum's...
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