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03-31-2011, 11:27 PM | #15531 |
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well i took the idea from socom confrontation it was a special AR you got, he is a designated marksman so i will probably give him another weapon as well.
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04-01-2011, 02:31 AM | #15532 |
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I wouldn't put too much stock in the PoC/RoC filecards. They're -- to put it bluntly -- garbage for the most part, probably written by some schlub in marketing who can't wait to do "real work."
As for ninjas wearing samurai armour... well, the historical ninja (and not the "pop culture ninja") allegedly used whatever was available, which I imagine would include appropriating samurai weapons and clothing. But here's the thing about ninja in history... there's very little reliable historical fact regarding ninja and ninjutsu. A lot of the stuff we assume is "true" or at least having some basis in historical fact can only be traced reliably to the claims of one man, Fujita Seiko, who died in 1966. Seiko claimed direct lineage to the Kōga-ryū school of espionage and he taught various espionage and martial arts techniques to Japanese intelligence agents at the infamous Nakano Spy School in World War II. But Seiko had no heirs, and didn't teach any of his students enough for him to think them worthy to carry on the Kōga tradition. He said that real ninjutsu (that is, ninjutsu that has direct ties to koryu ninjutsu) would die with him. Somewhat unsurprisingly, after Seiko's death, all sorts of "ninja masters" claiming to be heirs to the Koga or Iga ninjutsu tradition starting coming out of the woodwork. Now, I'm not saying that all modern ninjutsu schools are run by frauds (although a lot of them are of dubious reputability), but the oldest ninjutsu school is actually only a little over 30 years old (Masaaki Hatsumi's Bujinkan school, founded in 1978). Hatsumi and others claim that they're descended from the Koga or the Iga koryu schools (the two largest ninjutsu schools in medieval Japan) and thus like to say that their schools date back four or more centuries, but to date, I don't think any one of them has shown indisputable proof of their lineage. Ninja: The Invisible Assassins - Google Books He's shown as a young man, but he's treated more like a historian. This book came out before the ninja boom hit the states. There is also the Genbukan which is supposedly run by a rival classmate of Hatsumi. The people that claim Koga lineage never got famous (except Frank Dux, but he's considered a fraud for all his secret agent claims). I don't believe there are any koryu ninja schools, but there koryu martial arts that have ninjutsu techniques as part of their curriculum. As you know, many of the most famous "ninja" in history were known samurai. Hattori(sp?) Hanzo being one of them.
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04-01-2011, 03:35 AM | #15533 |
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The people that claim Koga lineage never got famous (except Frank Dux, but he's considered a fraud for all his secret agent claims). I don't believe there are any koryu ninja schools, but there koryu martial arts that have ninjutsu techniques as part of their curriculum.
But yeah, the thing is, if you ask many serious martial arts historians, the widely acknowledged conclusion is that ninjutsu, as a formally distinct and codified collection of martial arts and espionage techniques, probably didn't survive past the Edo Period, unlike many of the other koryu martial arts. Whereas all the other Japanese and Okinawan martial arts survived in some form during the relative peace of the Edo Period and the early 20th century (either transformed into sport, absorbed into religious/ascetic practice, or incorporated into family/community tradition), without the extended civil wars of the 14th, 15th, and 16th centuries, feudal lords' demand for a full-time cadre of espionage agents declined and so did ninjutsu. Techniques that are likely similar to that employed by the medieval ninja are taught in some koryu martial arts schools (Tatsumi-ryū Hyōhō teaches the art of monomi -- the art of surveillance and observation -- as part of its advanced curriculum, for example) though, and are probably the closest surviving "relatives" of the real thing. But like I said, the most reliable evidence of medieval ninjutsu's existence past the late 19th century was the late Fujita Seiko (who wasn't an infallible or 100% reliable source, either), but he didn't really teach much outside of the Nakano School (Imperial Japan's premier center for military intelligence and counterintelligence training), and even there, a lot of the unarmed fighting techniques taught were actually based on Daito-ryu jujutsu and similar arts which emphasized grappling. A lot of "modern" ninjutsu is really just an attempt at recreating what medieval ninjutsu would have been like (nobody says that on the school pamphlet, though ). Some schools, steeped in history and a knowledge of koryu martial arts, are better at this than others and are more "authentic" in a sense, while a lot of others are just "bullshido" (a derisive term in the martial arts community to refer to martial arts built on unsubstantiated claims and outright fabrications). But since we don't really have a surviving and/or confirmed primary source for the art, there's really no way of telling definitively who has it right. Heh. The romantic notion of the samurai and ninja as polar opposites is probably because their opposition looks so good in movies, posters, and novels. In many ways, they were really just opposite ends of a single spectrum, samurai on one end, ronin in the middle, and ninja at the other end. Warriors could inhabit the whole spectrum through their careers (a warrior might start out as a samurai, become a ronin after his master's death, work as a ninja while being a ronin, and then become a samurai again if he takes up after a new daimyo). |
04-01-2011, 04:03 AM | #15534 |
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I used to read the Bullshido forums a lot. Very entertaining at times, but they're not a very civil bunch. A number of members enjoy beating up LARPers.
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04-01-2011, 04:24 AM | #15535 |
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04-01-2011, 04:28 AM | #15536 |
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Heh. I used to be a member of the Bullshido forums as well. Never was very active, though (you're right, the most active members tend to be very "shout-y" in their posts).
Only reason I joined was I wanted to get some feedback about local arnis/kali/eskrima schools. Next to ninjutsu, I think arnis/kali probably has the most number of frauds per capita, probably because of both arts' history as "forbidden" and informal fighting techniques (the Spanish, and to a lesser extent, the Japanese and the Americans, discouraged the practice of native martial arts during their time as the Philippines' colonial overseer), so it's very hard to track down legitimate lineal succession when it comes to schools. Unlike ninjutsu though, arnis/eskrima/kali has surviving primary sources: the CaƱete family have a legitimate claim to their brand of eskrima that stretches back to at least the late 19th century and Dan Inosanto (yes, the retired 101st Airborne paratrooper and Bruce Lee contemporary/student) has put in years of historical, anthropological, and folk research into Lacoste-Inosanto Kali, and Modern Arnis (which I studied in high school and college) is a standardized, government-approved (some would say "dumbed down" ha ha ha) distillation of various arnis and kali forms from the Philippine island of Luzon, so its still possible to learn "the real thing." The fraud problem only becomes an issue when the student tries to study outside of the biggest schools. For a brief period of time though (right around the Bourne movies came out ha ha), arnis/kali/eskrima "masters" were an epidemic. You couldn't go one month without hearing about a supposed master teaching knife combat techniques at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center. Some guy claiming to be a master of kuntao (the little-known kung-fu/arnis/kali hybrid art practiced by some members of the Filipino-Chinese community in the Philippines and elsewhere) put up a site selling replicas of supposedly authentic kali knives and swords. |
04-01-2011, 05:20 AM | #15537 |
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Thank you.
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04-01-2011, 06:01 AM | #15538 |
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His stuff is REALLY good, and he's great on customer service.
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04-02-2011, 04:34 AM | #15539 |
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Has anyhone seen further images of the new filcards? It seems like the new style seems to have the same lack of detail, but the seemed to have added back the birthplaces. Maybe someone is listening? I only can see Renegades Duke and the Steel Brigade and Cobra Trooper who both have Various Countries listed.
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04-02-2011, 10:43 AM | #15540 |
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Only seen those 3. Haven't gotten good looks at the Con set filecards yet either.
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