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03-10-2011, 03:29 AM | #15311 |
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I'm just wondering what the timeline is to become a 180A or a WO-1 Helicopter pilot. Flight School could be as little as 12 Weeks to 20 Weeks. Which isn't that long considering he would be career military.
But is there a requirement for Helicopter Warrant Officers to go to the reserves for a few years after Flight School? Becoming an 180A can be done in 15 weeks at the SF Warrant Officer Basic Course. It just seems odd that someone would spend 7 1/2 years away from SF, if they wanted to be a SF subject matter expert. The Q course changes class-to-class; because, of what teams learn in the field. Flint would almost have to start over to learn everything that's change since he was an 18C.
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03-10-2011, 04:27 AM | #15312 |
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I think flight training is closer to 18 months. I think a six year commitment is involved once you get your wings.
Becoming an 180A can be done in 15 weeks at the SF Warrant Officer Basic Course. It just seems odd that someone would spend 7 1/2 years away from SF, if they wanted to be a SF subject matter expert. The Q course changes class-to-class; because, of what teams learn in the field. Flint would almost have to start over to learn everything that's change since he was an 18C. So does the rest of my schedule work for 80's Flint? Am I right that Flint would be just a Ranger Schooled and not Ranger Regiment? And would Flint be more 82nd or 101st in the pre-SF days in the mid to late 70's?
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03-10-2011, 05:06 AM | #15313 |
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Ouch, so even my Flight Warrant Officer school opening & side-stepping to 180A school idea doesnt work well, since there is a commitment clause. I was hoping that he could be away from SF for less than 2 years. I liked how it lined up in my head, but that's just not the military way. Maybe I should go back to the civilian pilot idea.
So does the rest of my schedule work for 80's Flint? Am I right that Flint would be just a Ranger Schooled and not Ranger Regiment? And would Flint be more 82nd or 101st in the pre-SF days in the mid to late 70's? Today, you can enlist with an 18x contract. You go bootcamp, jump school, SFAS, Q-course(you get an automatic promotion to E-5). I forget if they have complete AIT before jump school or if they skip it. They don't even have to go to Ranger School.
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03-10-2011, 06:55 AM | #15314 |
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So BlackRazor is your joeverse Flint a Helicopter Pilot who use to be Special Forces?
Yeah 20 weeks seems a little short, but I think a part of 18 months he would be able to skip if he was already a Warrant Officer as well as Special Forces.
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03-10-2011, 02:35 PM | #15315 |
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The thing about being a Warrant is the purpose is to be an expert in your field. Even if he skipped the leadership and protocol section ot the Aviation Warrant Officer course. He still has to become an expert on aerodynamics and flight theory. He has to go to basic flight and then go to advanced flight and learn the ins and outs of a particular helicopter type. There's nothing that says Flint wasn't a Team Sergeant before he left to fly helicopters. I could see him being recruited as a helicopter pilot by the Joes, who then decide to put his Special Forces experience to use on the ground. Flint's role as a Joe can be more fliud that his as a SF Sergeant. EDIT: Excessive experience bumps up the realistic age of the character. Even as a kid, I thought this was ridiculous. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mingwal...n/photostream/
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03-10-2011, 02:41 PM | #15316 |
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To me Flint's helicopter piloting wasn't his main anything. It's just something he picked up.
He's always been a ground pounder for me. Jumping out of a helicopter into the thick of things. Far as I'm concerned, he never received formal training, just something he thought he should learn because the helicopter was responsible for getting him to missions but more importantly it was responsible for getting him home.
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03-10-2011, 03:01 PM | #15317 |
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My Flint never flies a Helicopter. He's 180A all the way. But could it be possible is what I'm trying to figure out. No. Most likely not. The timeline for the amount of training he would have to go through doesn't make sense for him to have done it realistically. Besides he would never be allowed to do both at the same time.
Yet if for some unknown reason, he blackmailed his way into Flight School could he have finished it and gone back to Special Forces? His would be a very special case. Almost as special as Lady Jaye and Scarlett doing Ranger School.
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03-10-2011, 03:36 PM | #15318 |
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So Warrant Officer before Flight Warrant Officer school or after Flight Warrant Officer school.?
I realize the latter makes more sense from a reality standpoint, but Flint's character is more 180A than anything else. I don't think I've ever seen Flint fly a helicopter come to think of it. I've seen him fly a Skystriker, a Sky Hawk maybe a Conquest X-30? Pilot is his secondary MOS on his first file card, but as we discussed, by his second file card, "pilot" is not even mentioned. And for a quite a few of his later incarnations, "pilot" is never mentioned. Flint is arguably the most qualified, well-rounded Joe on the entire team. Obviously there are a few others who would give him a run for his money, but from education to military training, Flint is tough to beat. If the Joes are a Tier 1 Special Ops unit, then it only makes sense for them to recruit operators with unusual skills - A rhodes scholar who was an 18C, and then went Warrant Officer and got a slot to flight school seems like a natural choice. That's Flint. The former Commando who became a Warrant Officer by going to flight school? That's not Flint. But we do have a Joe who fits that description: it's Wild Bill.
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03-10-2011, 03:43 PM | #15319 |
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One other alternative, is that Aviation is Flint's "Control Branch".
Here's what I mean: He's a Rhodes scholar, and he goes to the recruiter's office and the recruiter says, "Wow. Well, we don't see a lot of guys with your level of education and credentials. You may actually qualify for the Warrant Officer Flight Program. We advirtise it a lot, but very few people actually qualify for it..." So Flint get sent straight to Warrant Officer Flight School. He does well, and gets a slot to go through Airborne and Ranger School. This does happen with Aviation guys sometimes. I've seen plenty of Army Aviators with Ranger tabs. So he's in Aviation and he's Airborne/Ranger qualified, and he applies for SF. His application is accepted and he goes through selection and the Q-Course. He then specializes as an 180A. Now 180A is his Primary MOS, but he's still qualified as an Aviation Warrant Officer, and all he has to do to stay current is keep his flight hours up... no problem on the Joe Team.
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03-10-2011, 04:33 PM | #15320 |
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I want to make an insertion team, led by Flint, that includes Wild Bill and Crankcase (or maybe Clutch). Groundpounders that went on to specialize in transportation. This team is the "fire and forget". You let 'em go and they're on their own. Getting in and getting out is improvised by them. Which is why they would have Wild Bill and Crankcase as part of the team.
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