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02-22-2011, 01:50 AM | #15191 |
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Well I guess we're still not sure about Bullhorn. Even though he's not listed as a Marine or a Sniper, he is sort of geared out that way, and the whole Quantico thing is another conundrum.
There aren't that many Snipers in the Joes to begin with. I have no problem with Lowlight being Army/Delta in an urban environment. The Army Sniper School is not filled with a bunch of sissies or anything. Still I'm with you. I'm just glad we got Hollow-Point at all. I just wish he were a better figure. A Modern Update would be awesome. A Hollow-Point and Crossfire 2-Pack would be awesome.
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02-22-2011, 02:03 AM | #15192 |
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Even if Bullhorn were a Marine though, don't mistake being an SRT marksman -- which is what I think he would be if he were Army or USMC (his accessories seem to be geared towards law enforcement) -- with being a sniper. Those are two different jobs that require different skills (with long-range marksmanship being the common thread binding the two) and are sourced from different MOSes (snipers are infantry, SRT marksmen are MPs). He could also be a USMC FAST Company RTT/CQB Team marksman (which would make him infantry, but not necessarily a formally-trained sniper). Last edited by zuludelta; 02-22-2011 at 03:42 AM.. |
02-22-2011, 03:48 AM | #15193 |
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Yeah, it's a shame that it wasn't fleshed out a little more in the file card, or the comic for that matter... I guess that for me, since Larry was responsible for so much of the continuity, I tend to take Larry's take on the character as the closest to a "real" answer.
What surprizes me is that of all the Joe snipers, only one obscure (BTR) character, Hollow Point, was a Marine Scout/Sniper. It seems to me that if you're coming up with a team of troops from the different branches of service, and you want a sniper, wouldn't a USMC Scout/Sniper be the obvious choice? Considering the number of Marksmanship Instructors on the team, you'd think the Joes would be able to hit someone every once in a while. Hollow Point's look has also become the new Rock n' Roll (looks more like a trucker than a sniper). Quote:
Always thought that the Quantico reference in Bullhorn's filecard was a nod to the FBI Academy, and not necessarily the Marine Corps installation. He always struck me as a civilian FBI HRT-type (what with him being an "intervention specialist" and all), sort of like how Shockwave seemed to have come directly from a civilian position (Detroit SWAT) and bypassed military training and entered the Joe team (as an aside, I always thought it odd that Shockwave's "Primary MOS" was SWAT and not Military Police, which leads me to think that he was always intended to be a civilian member of the Joe team, the E-4 rank notwithstanding).
Even if Bullhorn were a Marine though, don't mistake being an SRT marksman -- which is what I think he would be if he were Army or USMC -- with being a sniper. Those are two different jobs that require different skills (with long-range marksmanship being the common thread binding the two) and are sourced from different MOSes (snipers are infantry, SRT marksmen are MPs). He could also be a USMC FAST Company RTT/CQB Team marksman (which would make him infantry, but not necessarily a formally-trained sniper). I believe the FAST Company members come the ranks of the Marine Corps Security Force( same field as the embassy guards).
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The MOSes and responsibilities are different for the organizations, the Marine Security Guard (i.e., the embassy guard) is MOS 8156 and is classified as an FMOS (a "free MOS" with no PMOS prerequisites), while the Marine Corps Security Force Guard (the guys in the FAST Companies) is MOS 8152 and is classified as an EMOS ("exception MOS," with qualification in the rifleman PMOS -- MOS 0311 -- as a prerequisite for the award of the EMOS, although this can be waived as long as the applicant's ASVAB score meets the minimum rifleman PMOS ASVAB requirements). I don't know if the infantry prerequisite can be waived for the FMOS assignment as a FAST Company Recapture Tactics/Close-Quarters Battle Team Member (MOS 8154), though. Last edited by zuludelta; 02-22-2011 at 04:44 AM.. Reason: edited for clarity and additional detail |
02-22-2011, 11:28 AM | #15195 |
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I don't think of Bullhorn as a Sniper and Quantico just screams FBI to me more then Marines.
Low-Light isn't even listed as a sniper. He's a "night fighter".
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I always figured Bullhorn as an FBI guy more than anything myself, and I'm just as pro-Marine as anyone. But as we discussed long ago, if he came from FBI then he should be an officer correct? Sort of like Bulletproof. Then there are the Captain's bars on the collar.
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02-22-2011, 11:54 AM | #15197 |
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You are TOTALLY right about MACSOGV - they were all either SEALs or SF. All I'm saying is that the only evidence from the comic that Snake-Eyes was with MACSOGV was the cover of one issue. In the comic itself all that's ever mentioned is Snake-Eyes' time with the LRRPs. SF is a lot of things, but a HUGE part of what they do is winning "hears & minds". It's about working with/teaching indigenous forces - and it requires a strong ability to communicate. I'm pretty sure that all SF operators have speak english and have at least a working knowledge of a language pertinent to thier Group's area of responsibility. In other words, if you're in 7th Group, for example, you better know Spanish and Portugese wouldn't hurt. Considering the language and communication requirements for SF, it's just hard to see Snake-Eyes in that role. Don't get me wrong, the guy is a killing machine and if Delta could have snaggd him from the Rangers, they probably would have, if he didn't get picked up by the CIA first. But SF is just a different animal. The cover does raise the question, however, and every fan has to interpret the cannon for himself... I just think it's not explicit, and it's pretty questionable. Stalker, for example, would fit WAY better into SF than Snake-Eyes would. |
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I also noticed while looking up Range Officer for the Marine Corps, that the MOS 0930 (Range Officer) is only opened to WO-CWO-5. Although This MOS may now be close or merged as of 2009.
Is this another Flint from E-6 to W-2? Both are Helicopter Pilots? However I don't think the Marine Corps has Warrant Officer Helicopter Pilots like the Army.
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Hey Guys have we ever discussed possible military backgrounds for Cobra Agents? We have to know many of these guys are coming from some Elite Force around the world. We know a few for sure like Bludd and the Twins, and I think even Guillotine is mentioned as a Navy SEAL.
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