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01-18-2011, 03:38 PM | #14751 |
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blackrazor, the issue you were refering to was #82. The Joes were Lightfoot (being "recycled"), Repeater and Budo. I seem to recall LH said he'd done similar things when he was in boot camp.
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01-18-2011, 04:46 PM | #14752 |
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In the Marvel comic there are several stories of new Joes being sent on a mission to see how they measure up - with the real possibility that they will wash out if they can't roll with the punches.
In issue 82, the three Joes who had just made it through training were sent out on a real live mission that very night. Actually, Lightfoot was doing Joe selection for the second time because he had been very badly injured on his first mission - a much more rigorous mission in a Special Missions comic to somewhere in Africa or the ME. On that mission he is paired with another character - a Joe who never got made into an action figure. (I am being vague here, because I don't want to spoil things for anyone who is still reading these). So in Lightfoot's case, he performed admirably on his first mission, but was badly hurt and was still required to go through training again once he had recovered. And there's Scoop of course - whose introduction in a later Special Missions issue was another example of the new "FNG" being put through a lot on his first mission. Based on this, it seems that during the ARAH comics, Joe selection involves a grueling selection procedure with a very high dropout rate, and is then followed by a probatory period of sorts, where the new Joe is sent into the field to show he can dish it out as well as he can take it. Last edited by Stormgard; 01-18-2011 at 07:06 PM.. |
01-18-2011, 05:46 PM | #14753 |
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I think Lightfoot was originally fast-tracked through the selection process because he was needed for that mission. Then when he recovered he was put back in to finish up.
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01-18-2011, 05:47 PM | #14754 |
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Necro-post, I know, but thought I'd clarify since it's been brought up again. Many of the old personnel/administration filing systems back in the day required all fields in a form to be filled (this was due in part because of the recording medium back then, they still used IBM punched cards/Hollerith cards to "digitize" information, and "blank" fields could sometimes pose a problem as there was no standard way to digitize the "blank" field). So the "Middle Initial" field needed to be filled, even if the person had no middle initial. The convention was to place an "X" in the field to indicate that that person had no middle initial, although sometimes clerks would also use "NMI" (for "No Middle Initial") if the field format allowed for three letters. Of course these days, they don't really need to do that anymore with the newer filing systems.
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01-18-2011, 06:03 PM | #14755 |
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I don't remember the exact nature of the conversation, but he did go through it once, get to go on a mission, get injured, and have to leave, and then come back and do it al over again. Brutal. |
01-18-2011, 10:52 PM | #14756 |
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The other G.I.Joe Recruit with Lightfoot was Mangler and he didn`t make it. In issue #82,all the new canidates for the G.I.Joes had to watch 8 hours of people dieing horrible in accidents. And they couldn`t fall asleep or they would fail and be transferred out. Doing push ups and fighting with the sticks was the easy part. For real,any canidate,who has already survived the cut,to get into their various outfits,wouldn`t have to go through it again,hopefully.
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01-19-2011, 01:13 PM | #14757 |
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Well special and elite forces all over the world keep tweaking and revising their selection process, as their roles evolve. But many of them have staples that all recruits have to go through, that don't change very much. The SAS emphasize cross-country forced marches in the cold, the SEALs do that team log lifting and raft carrying, the Airborne of course put everyone through jump training.
In most cases, they start out focusing on weeding out the ones who don't have what it takes, and then go on to the most expensive training. There's no need to train every SEAL recruit in entering and exiting a submarine when most of them aren't going to make it. Most people wash out early on, if you've made it to the training stage, you have a much better chance of making it. Based on issue 82, it looks like the Joes keep the pressure up until the very end. In the case of G.I.Joe, I'd guess that they get in a lot of candidates who are used to being the best in their respective fields and units, but being really proficient and really tough probably isn't enough. A good Joe should be able to be dynamic enough to work with a variety of different kinds of fellow operators, take on all manner of different missions, and should be able to master lots of new weapons and hardware, and be a quick learner. As much as Leatherneck may pride himself on being a Marine, he's clearly a Joe first and foremost, and can't let his prior unit esprit de corps get in the war of working with Army, AF, and Navy guys as equals. So Joe is looking for top notch all around troopers, who still excel in their particular specialties. But I'd guess that for some of the rarer and most specific specialities, it might be less important that they truly master the advanced soldiering stuff - Psych Out, Mainframe, and Tripwire would have to be solid soldiers and reliable operators, but perhaps not be expected to be on the same basic combat level as Outback, Big Ben, or Rock n Roll. |
01-19-2011, 01:29 PM | #14758 |
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I would bet guys like Psyche-Out and Mainframe would have been former operators and moved onto other fields. Being that they would be older.
I think Oliver mentioned this before about the Psy-Ops guys all being former Green Berets. After multiple deployments they do a stint with Psy-Ops to go back home and watch the kids graduate or whatever to sort of cool off. Also guys that maybe are getting older and can't pass the rigerous physical demands, but would love to stay in Special Operations, and have all that language training. Tripwire would really need to be more of a Ranger with serious explosives/demolitions training. A mine detector would seem like a waste for a unit like the Joes. Still I think they would have various support people tied to the unit. Such as a Firewall or female Dial-Tone.
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01-19-2011, 02:51 PM | #14759 |
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Because G.I.Joe has such a variety of personnel needs, it doesn't make sense for everyone to be trained up to the same standard in everything. Perhaps after going through a basic Joe Boot Camp, candidates could go on to speciality training - air pilot, naval operations, vehicle driver, advanced light infantry, commando, survival and hostile environments, counterterror, etc.
Because candidates are already specialists, this secondary phase could be more about standardizing them to Joe equipment and SOPs rather than teaching them from scratch. Veteran Joes could go back to be retrained or train in new specialities after a while. |
01-19-2011, 08:04 PM | #14760 |
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I see Joe training as just bringing folks up to speed on Joe equipment and SOP.
They brought Crankcase and Clutch onboard to be drivers, so I can't see them wasting time/money/resources training someone else to be one. I think they go and grab people that excel at the field they want, and then give them the "how to be a Joe" course.
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