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12-10-2008, 12:54 PM | #1461 |
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12-10-2008, 12:55 PM | #1462 |
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Yeah, but even the best still make mistakes or get unlucky. Not saying every mission someone should have died, but it should have happened alot more then it did.
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12-10-2008, 01:09 PM | #1463 |
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I think you also have to look at it like this...
These are the best of the best. The have skill and some luck on there side so they can get out of a jam and live to fight another day. Especially if a mission last serveal issues. Then you have a gaint battle/war where it's just no getting around mass death. Cobra have just puts in one good shot (Battle Force 200) or a series of tactical supremacy (Civil War 2) and the Joes just die left and right. |
12-10-2008, 01:30 PM | #1464 |
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I agree that the body count should have been more spread out...instead of killing 20 at once...spread the love. But I think based on the missions and plots...The Joes are skilled enough to survive. You also have to remeber that many of the Joe...although they did not die took some pretty big lumps. Heavy Duty wound by a BAT. Duke tortured by Interregator. Hawk paralyzed. Wild Bill Hospitalized. Scarlett in a Coma. Stalker shot more than one occassion. Just because they didn't die doesn't mean the bullet didn't hit their targets. |
12-10-2008, 01:45 PM | #1465 |
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I agree that the body count should have been more spread out...instead of killing 20 at once...spread the love.
But I think based on the missions and plots...The Joes are skilled enough to survive. You also have to remeber that many of the Joe...although they did not die took some pretty big lumps. Heavy Duty wound by a BAT. Duke tortured by Interregator. Hawk paralyzed. Wild Bill Hospitalized. Scarlett in a Coma. Stalker shot more than one occassion. Just because they didn't die doesn't mean the bullet didn't hit their targets. They sure took a lot of prisoners during the Cartoons. |
12-10-2008, 01:46 PM | #1466 |
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Did Sneak Peek 2 really die? I know they said he did, but I remember the last panel he was in, after the B.A.T. shot at him, he was laying there and I could swear there was a "groan"-type caption there.
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12-10-2008, 03:57 PM | #1467 |
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IDW's success will depend entirely on the strength of the stories. The new Joe has a grittier feel to it already, which is very cool. Even with some changes, if the stories are there, the fans will come around.
Don't forget, the "bible" for the IDW Joeverse was set up by Larry Hama. Of course this is all conjecture - it remains to be seen how fans will react and whether or not they'll accept it. I just think that if the characters are so different from their classic versions, then even if the stories are good, it won't feel like we're reading G.I. Joe. I will certainly give it a try... I read every G.I. Joe comic ever put out (except reloaded). I'll read the new stuff. But I think of the time when DDP killed off Lady Jaye. There was a letter sent to DDP that they had the courage to publish. It basically said this, "That character has been around since some of you were in diapers. You have no idea what you're doing. I'm never reading another of your comics." I certainly felt that way, but I stuck around until the end. I'm not a huge DDP fan. I think they did some good things, but on the whole I don't think they ever really understood the property all that well. Funny thing about Larry Hama coming back - Some months ago, I read a post from a Tanker about the upcoming IDW series... He basically said, "Larry Hama is like Stan Lee. Thanks for what you've done in the past, but it's time for you to retire." I don't know if I'm ready to say that much yet, but I do see his point. People are changed by time. Who we are in our youth, is not who we are today... obviously there is some correspondence, but time changes us. George Lucas is not the same film maker he was - thus the new Star Wars is NOT what the old ones were. Hama's involvement may be a mixed blessing - he may feel the need to change things for the worst reason of all: the sheer novelty of being different. I was unimpressed by the 6 page preview of his... in fact, I liked the other 2 short stories much better. So, I suppose the most I can really say is: We'll see.
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12-10-2008, 04:20 PM | #1468 |
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I loved the feel of Hama's 6 pager. It felt really tense, and you weren't quite sure what was going to happen. I really felt for Duke, he didn't have a chance to breath and think, he was basically told that he either "dies" or he dies.
As for that Lady Jaye letter. I'm sorry, no offense meant to anyone, but let it go, lol. I hate that "I'll never read another one of your comics again". That's going beyond being a fan and going to taking it personally. It's not like they killed Lady Jaye to piss off LJ fans. They did it because it made sense to the story and provided a great story moment. I'm a big LJ fan and I was saddened at the death but I felt like it worked with the story being told and in no way disrespected the character or her legacy/history. You can't write stories for the fans. You have to write for the stories. There's no way to please everyone and you never will. Writing something like G.I. Joe is a catch-22, damned if you do and damned if you don't. And the fans have to be willing to cut some slack. Which, from what I've noticed, Joefans are pretty unwilling to do. It's like they treat the originals as gospel and sacred. I'm not a fan for changing just because, but if there's a legimate reason for it, I don't see why it shouldn't be done. Dial-Tone going from male to female doesn't bother me, as long as it ends up being a good character. I'd feel the same way if it was one of my major favorites. I see IDW as a new series, not necessarily a reboot, but a new Joe for a new generation. It's not my G.I. Joe and it's not meant to be. And just because a character has been around for years is no reason to not tell a good story with that character or hold them sacred and untouchable.
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12-10-2008, 04:22 PM | #1469 |
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Lady Jaye was the only one that doesn't fall into the "mass killing to show we can do it" category.
Flash/Chuckles/Mainframe kind of made sense because they were during a massive battle and you expect casaulties during those. Yeah, the Red Shadow deaths were part of the storyline, but I just got the feel they were done for a "see, we're killing people" kind of thing. |
12-10-2008, 04:26 PM | #1470 |
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I think DDP would still have the liscense if they had done the tone of America's Elite right off the bat. Instead they continued the marvel run and it seemed to be written by a bunch of fans. It never seemed like a comic book as much as fan fiction. Sometimes fans aren't the best people to run a franchise. They sometimes look at things with "fan-vision" and not "is it a good story."
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