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08-12-2010, 01:25 AM | #14021 |
Iron Grenadier
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The negativity always goes up when new product comes out. Some tankers are never happy no matter what. I think the POC figures are a grand leap from ROC and the best thing that could have happened for GI Joe since the 25th anniversary. These are exciting figures, full of detail and with great accessories. I'm excited for the next wave.
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08-12-2010, 01:30 AM | #14022 |
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Oliver, there's one other point that I think we both share and that is: sometimes we want certain mediums to be apolitical. When I go to a concert, I don't want to hear the songwriter go on about how he hates this president or that senator--even if I agree--because I came to the concert to listen to music, not hear a political diatribe. Same goes for comics.
Unless the artist has always been political in his work and that work is politically driven or inspired, I'd rather ingest such political viewpoints elsewhere. I completely understand those who want Hama to stick with the simple Joe vs Cobra motiff but then again Hama may be striving to create a more complex, multi-layered, more adult story that addresses current events. Who knows what message he's sending. Perhaps he's trying to turn the Joes into controversial figures for the sake of drama and not politics. Who knows for sure. I'd like to hear his comments. That would be interesting. Maybe that could be a question you send him on Facebook. I'll be very interested to hear what you think about it when you read the issue, my friend.
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08-12-2010, 01:32 AM | #14023 |
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Yeah, I want to troop build Alley viper and the new Jungle viper. The POC sculpts are amazing. I love the amount of gear each figure comes with. I just wish they'd fix the filecards ;)
Has anyone got any of the Mechs yet? I'm thinking about army building them. Maybe 4 of each. I'd build more but the shipping cost to Oz is what kills it for me. Speaking of army building, I got a few of the new Dusty from Wave 2. i plan on building a few with the swapped heads. He makes a great Desert Green Shirt type.
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08-12-2010, 01:34 AM | #14024 |
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I agree, Hasbro could come out with anything and more than likely one group or another is not gonna like it. I have to admit I got burnt out hunting for ROC stuff around the end of 09 and the beginning the year. But as soon as I say the POC stuff online and I realized that it was hitting stores I was like hell yeah. And getting my POC Snake Eyes gave me that feeling that only a G.I. Joe figure can. Well picking up G.I. Joe the movie today gave me the same feeling.
I really like the POC stuff, and from the pics and previews, there's nothing but great stuff coming our way for the next few waves.
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08-12-2010, 01:52 AM | #14025 |
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Hey! Look who is here: Tall Creeper - one of our early Posters on this thread. It's like an old school classic just showed up. If Cold Slither showed up suddenly, we'ed be in business.
Yeah, I agree, Tall Creeper. I really like all the new figures and I like the vehicles. I would like it if we got some LARGE vehicles, but I know it's an investment for Hasbro and they have to be careful. |
08-12-2010, 01:57 AM | #14026 |
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I'm still disappointed with the vehicles but that's only because I got bit my the 1/18th bug. I did get the Wolf Hound, though, and I'm still debating on getting the Doom Cycle. I really only want the figure.
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08-12-2010, 02:13 AM | #14027 |
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It's cool that you're excited about the movie. It wasn't my cup of tea, but I don't understand the vitrolic talk about hating all things ROC. The way I see it, even if I didn't like the movie, I got a ton of cool toys out of the deal - something for everyone.
I really like the POC stuff, and from the pics and previews, there's nothing but great stuff coming our way for the next few waves. |
08-12-2010, 02:53 AM | #14028 |
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They did turn their weapons on Cobra, but there's no evidence that they were going to kill the Mexican-Americans. They hadn't killed them before; the "rednecks" (a term which I personally find pegorative and offensive) had turned the Mexican-Americans into the "proper" authorities. If their intention had been to simply kill them, they could have done so out in the desert.
But it's exactly what the Joes have been doing for the past 2 issues. The Joes have been doing nothing but killing Cobras with no official authorization. In fact, the Joes have repeatedly said how they're throwing out the "Rules of Engagment". Isn't that vigilantism? There's no law against a citizen, who witnesses a crime being committed, performing a citizens arrest. If these "concerned citizens" were genuinely convinced that the Mexican-Americans were illeagal immigrants, they were completely within their rights to enforce the law without lethal force - though it's pretty easy to infer that they used the threat of lethal force; it certainly appears they did, and then they turned them into Cobra... And then when they turned on Cobra - EXACTLY WHAT THE JOES HAVE BEEN DOING - the Joes kill them. I'm not saying these "concerned citizens" were great guys. And perhaps they were commiting crimes based on discrimination... but does their attacking Cobras warrant Duke and Snake-Eyes slaughtering them? For Killing Cobras and being worried about border security? Yeah, it's a BIG presumption to conclude that they would have simply shot the Mexican-Americans. If they had wanted to do that, they could have killed them in the desert. Instead, they attack Cobra, and Snake-Eyes and Duke kill them for it. Snake-Eyes and Duke murder American civilians who are killing Cobras. No one was killed for being worried about border security. They were killed for using deadly force with the intent on killing everybody in sight. They made no attempt at a citizen's arrest. They appeared to be doing a straight up execution. If they kill the Cobras for letting other Americans go, you can assume they would kill the "immigrants".
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08-12-2010, 12:11 PM | #14029 |
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Oliver, there's one other point that I think we both share and that is: sometimes we want certain mediums to be apolitical. When I go to a concert, I don't want to hear the songwriter go on about how he hates this president or that senator--even if I agree--because I came to the concert to listen to music, not hear a political diatribe. Same goes for comics.
Unless the artist has always been political in his work and that work is politically driven or inspired, I'd rather ingest such political viewpoints elsewhere. I completely understand those who want Hama to stick with the simple Joe vs Cobra motiff but then again Hama may be striving to create a more complex, multi-layered, more adult story that addresses current events. Who knows what message he's sending. Perhaps he's trying to turn the Joes into controversial figures for the sake of drama and not politics. Who knows for sure. I'd like to hear his comments. That would be interesting. Maybe that could be a question you send him on Facebook. ^ This I don't need/want politics in my fantasy stories. Want to mirror real life events? Okay, just make sure it's adjusted for the comics world. I can't stand when a singer gets political at a concert. I'm not there to listen to their views, I'm there to listen to their music. I want to troop build the AV. I think, using the resolute helmet/goggles, that he could become my default trooper. I like the look alot. Lose the shield, lose the facemask helmet and we're in business. I'll be gone for the next 4 days. Heading down to Maryland for a wedding. Won't have time to do anything else sadly. Coming home with a puppy, lol.
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08-13-2010, 05:57 AM | #14030 |
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Apologies for the slow response and most of all apologies for the "redneck" comment - I didn't realise that it was an overly derogative term, I certainly didn't mean to cause offence.
Also apologies for the length of this response, but I think I now understand where Oliverbox is coming from with this (I don't necessarily agree mind you ;)) Quote:
They did turn their weapons on Cobra, but there's no evidence that they were going to kill the Mexican-Americans. They hadn't killed them before; the "rednecks" (a term which I personally find pegorative and offensive) had turned the Mexican-Americans into the "proper" authorities. If their intention had been to simply kill them, they could have done so out in the desert.
But they talked about how their justice should be done, i.e. the justice their group believed should happen, they then shot the cobra in the hiss turret (note there was already one blue and one red cobra on the ground before the shooting, and they were the only two after). I think it's fair to assume that their justice was not going to be checking the papers and releasing the "illegals" if all was in order. Quote:
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There's no law against a citizen, who witnesses a crime being committed, performing a citizens arrest. If these "concerned citizens" were genuinely convinced that the Mexican-Americans were illeagal immigrants, they were completely within their rights to enforce the law without lethal force - though it's pretty easy to infer that they used the threat of lethal force; it certainly appears they did, and then they turned them into Cobra...
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And then when they turned on Cobra - EXACTLY WHAT THE JOES HAVE BEEN DOING - the Joes kill them.
I'm not saying these "concerned citizens" were great guys. And perhaps they were commiting crimes based on discrimination... but does their attacking Cobras warrant Duke and Snake-Eyes slaughtering them? For Killing Cobras and being worried about border security? In this scenario I suppose it does look a bit harsh to just kill them all rather than e.g. wounding/disarming the chaps on the top of the pickup to stop them from firing on the Cobras and killing another (my assumption is that the turret gunner is now dead), but once they do start shooting at the Joes it's open season of course. Quote:
Yeah, it's a BIG presumption to conclude that they would have simply shot the Mexican-Americans. If they had wanted to do that, they could have killed them in the desert. Instead, they attack Cobra, and Snake-Eyes and Duke kill them for it. Snake-Eyes and Duke murder American civilians who are killing Cobras.
To conclude my overly long response, that one line at the bottom of page 14 in the comic "Lookit this! They're letting 'em go!" is the crux of the issue - whether you assume this means that they already know about the "illegals" and assume that they had turned them in, or whether you assume that they just saw them as they pulled up. In either case, perhaps not killing all/any of the gun-toting civvies with such extreme predjudice would have avoided all the problems, without any negative effect on the story, except that then the Cobras might not have been able to lie about not having seen the Joes as they'd have a pickup truck full of civvies to arrest.... |
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